1 small pouch with belthooks, and a maybe British commercial DPM pouch?

So I have these 2 pouches I don't know the origin or purpose of.

First up is this one, a small canvas pouch with US type belthooks, found here in the Netherlands, might be Dutch, but never saw this before, and some guys
on FB suspect it to be something French, but I don't recognize it as such either.
4th pic is for scale in comparison to other items.







And then this pouch on the right. No labels or markings, just a pouch with some PLCE style beltloops but no velcro additional loops with T-pins.
For size comparison it's next to a PLCE GPMG pouch.

The first pouch looks like it could fit a grenade launcher.

The second pouch looks somewhat commercial. It looks like it was meant to be worn on the left.

I think that the small canvas pouch is probably one of the Italian versions of the US M1942 first aid pouch.

I think I found a photo of the same exact pouch as the first one in the thread, on an Israelian early Ephod trial vest made in 1976.
Still, they reused a lot of foreign gear, mostly French, British and US, so it could still be foreign.