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    Estonian 1st type digital desert uniform

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    Post by ripcord on Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:19 pm

    Estonian 1st type digi camo uniform.  

    This uniform is cut just like the last Estonian amoeba TTsKO type uniform and is made of ripstop cloth.

    Somewhat curious that following 2nd type is not made of ripstop cloth , but  following types 3 and 4 are.







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    Post by TennoHeikaNate on Fri Feb 14, 2020 7:47 pm

    Amazing find, all badged up as well! The buttons are certainly peculiar.
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    Post by ripcord on Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:39 pm

    Thanks..

    Buttons on this one are identical to the 2nd type's buttons.



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    Post by TennoHeikaNate on Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:44 pm

    Do you know the differences between the four types off the top of your head? This one and I believe the fourth one are the only I can really differentiate
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    Post by ripcord on Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:15 pm

    Here's what I think..

    2nd type is the only type with national flag sown below Velcro patch panel; all other types have national flag sown above patch  panels.  It is made of non ripstop cloth and has exposed pocket buttons.  

    Not certain if any of the following types were also made in non ripstop cloth.

    I believe 3rd types have a smaller velcro square panel sown to both arm pockets ; 4th types have a larger Velcro panel on each arm pocket.

    This of course, is my simplistic quick way to differentiate types from one another and it  is only my opinion. I dont (yet) have all the different types to be completely certain.  

    And of course there are other differences, like buttons , cloth , even different colors, etc.

    I have ripstop trousers dated 2010 with concealed Canadian type buttons . I think it is a 3rd type.      The soldiers in the photo  seem to be wearing  type 3 to me.

    Info/opinions are welcome.


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    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:44 pm

    Ooo... that's a beauty!  Rare as heck and in unissued condition.  Badging is tough to get as well.  You did well Wink

    Rip has some pretty good rules of thumb to go by.  Here is my quick overview of the digital desert uniforms with guaranteed ID features in bold:

    1st Model, 1st Pattern - what Rip posted above. FOUR POCKET, SINGLE FLAP ARM POCKET
    2nd Model, 2nd Pattern - high poly count smooth cloth in slash pocket cut.  EXPOSED BUTTONS
    3rd Model, 2nd Pattern - same cut as 2nd, but better smooth cloth.  COVERED BUTTONS
    4th Model, 2nd Pattern - same cut as 2nd/3rd, but ripstop cloth.  RIPSTOP (if you can see the details) + MORE RED IN BASE COLOR + VELCRO SQUARE

    Velcro on the arms can play a role in identification, but as with all things Estonian "it isn't that simple" Smile Full pocket velcro (rectangle) is 3rd Model by default, upper pocket area velcro (square) is 4th Model unless it is a UBACS.

    Remember also that Estonians field modded their uniforms a lot so present of velcro could be field applied.  That can confuse things right there.

    But more importantly, the 3rd Model appears to have come in two forms:

    1.  No factory applied velcro at all (I have pictures confirming this)
    2.  Rectangular velcro that covers pretty much the entire pocket (2007 in my collection)

    The non-velcro type makes it possible to confuse it with 2nd Model as the two are otherwise identical unless you can see the pocket flaps. But I don't think there is a 3rd Model with square velcro like the 4th Model, so there is that.

    Next, we have the existence of several UBACS that had square velcro, no velcro, or a combo.  Might be even more variations, I don't know.  So always look around for signs of a UABCS to rule that out.

    The none vs. rectangular vs. square velcro is more confusing in the temperate world, so let's not go there Very Happy

    As for the photo... I'd guess 4th model.  Colors seem to be going in that direction and the velcro patches seem consistent with it.  But honestly I can't tell!

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    Post by mylle on Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:52 pm

    Great find S. I would say that has some holy grail touch! Very Happy

    Still need some digi estonian stuff....Without its no fun for a collector. Laughing
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    Post by ripcord on Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:29 pm

    Steve,

    Great to have these conversations; thanks for your input..

    Let's keep it going. Definitely not a boring pattern.


    Alex, pretty much in HG territory; at least for me. Last time there was a chance at one of these ( that I know of ) was 3 years ago and then it was only the blouse..

    You need some..



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