CollectinSteve wrote:drmatz wrote:hi Steve,
well i'm not sure about the finnish set, i think is the m91 version, i have an older jacket from 1992, than one from 1997 and this set which is dated 2003 and have exact same tag as my desert m05
Hmmm... well, then I don't think that's a good sign for your Desert m05, unfortunately All genuine issue Finnish items I have ever seen, including my Desert m05, have a separate label with a sort of castle looking symbol with a number inside. I don't know what the number represents, but the combo castle/number is in everything from 1960s through present as far as I know.
drmatz wrote:hi steve,
i think i have to dispute you on that, none of my finnish stuff post 1990's has that label (but all my m62's have), i have 3 desert m05, one is the rip stop version the other 2 are the cotton version, they all came from different sources and 2 of them came from finland. Same with the m91, i have 2 early jackets (again 2 from finland and 1 from US), and this more recent set, none of them have that label... either every single item i have from Finland is commercial, which would really piss me off, or this label is not present in every uniform, also it could have being cut off in order to leave Finland, i know the swedes cut the crown from their uniforms in order to sell as surplus...
here are pics of uniforms and tags...
m91pants - 1998
M91 - jacket
m05 desert rip stop
drmatz wrote:well i was just double checking my other finnish stuff and only 1 m62 set has the "castle" and is not a label is a stamp, all the other 3 variants of the m62 i have, don't have the label as well (and no tags at all)... here is a photo of the "castle"
It's interesting because all of my items, including a rain set (I'd have to dig it out to triple check), have the castle logo. This includes two m/62 sets, rain set, m/91, and m/05 Desert. Dates are from 1960s through 2005. I did have a commercial m/62 at one point and it lacked the crown (it also had extra pockets that had been removed). I'll see if I can get a definitive answer from some Finnish contacts I have.
One thing to note... remember that we're pretty much talking about stuff made for military, worn by military, but not necessarily government contract. This gets us into one of those gray areas of "semi-official". So it's not like what you have are TruSpec ACUs which are absolutely commercial and only worn in violation of military regulations.
CollectinSteve wrote:From a Finnish friend of mine. Take it for what it's worth
That's easy. The VPu refers to (now defunct) Valtion Pukutehdas, the State Uniform Factory. 48 is size, 70 is year. Another common marking on older stuff is SA-Int (Suomen Armeija Intendentuuri). And yes, if there's no FDF castle on it then most likely it's been made for private market. The Defence Forces would be very unlikely to not put their stamp on everything that has passed through them, from MRE's to MBT's!
I've asked some follow up questions. Will report back if I get anything interesting.
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