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    58 Pattern Sleeping Bag with DPM base-1964

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    Post by Gulf91 Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:13 am

    Unfortunately appears to be missing a label from the side of the hood.

    I take it the DPM base is probably a later/aftermarket addition and not original to the bag itself?

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    Post by kammo-man Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:33 pm

    Mine was plain OD .


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    Post by Gulf91 Fri Sep 28, 2012 2:01 pm

    kammo-man wrote:Mine was plain OD .


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    Owen,thats what makes this one special as they were never made in DPM and dont think DPM was around in 1964?

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    Post by kammo-man Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:05 pm

    DPM was "just" around about then ......
    but your one could be special.
    Lets see what some of the DP nuts say.
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    Post by filupe Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:42 am

    The DPM material looks like a heavier weight rubberized nylon. It this the same stuff the bashas are made with? What is the quality of the stitching like?

    Looks like this might be a one-off custom job, very nice I might add and certainly would added some 'ally' points to the outdoor manchester!
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    Post by Gulf91 Sat Sep 29, 2012 4:18 am

    Not 100% sure about the material but feels similar to the normal green waterproof base on these sleeping bags but could be wrong. Workmanship,stitching etc is top notch and not crude.

    Be it original or an aftermarket conversion I like it as either way its an early bag and pretty unique looking Very Happy

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    Post by loski Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:33 am

    Nice all the ones I have seen including my issue one have been the standard OG
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    Post by Gulf91 Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:39 am

    It was bought mainly for the date(already have 3 other 58 Patt bags) so was a Brucie bonus to have it DPM as well Wink Wink
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    Post by loski Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:44 am

    It could possably be a preproduction peice for an intended run of camo gonk bags.
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    Post by Gulf91 Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:47 am

    loski wrote:It could possably be a preproduction peice for an intended run of camo gonk bags.

    No idea Graham you could well be right,just a damn shame that there is a label missing off the hood,who knows what might have been on it-doubt it was a squaddies number as they were normally painted or black markered on.
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    Post by loski Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:55 am

    yeh we were told to mark all our kit with surname and last 4 the bigger the better one daft idea any idea if the firm that made it still around if they are they may know.
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    Post by loski Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:40 am

    Hey Gulf I googled the Chelsea Quilt Co and came up with this

    Chelsea Quilt Co Ltd - Holding Companies Management Activities in Barnstaple EX31 1NB

    Address:
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    Barnstaple
    Devon
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    Fax: 01271 345 090
    Could try contacting them







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    Post by Bury_Dave Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:18 pm

    Whilst DPM material was around - just - in 1964, the cotton modal cloth on the jacket/smock I posted here a few months ago was all there was.

    https://iacmc.forumotion.com/t7006-the-first-dpm-garment

    There was no DPM PU nylon until the late 1970's or very early 80's and it was a different material to the stuff you have on your bag - which looks like the much more recent basha type material in late DPM tones.
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    Post by bravo_2_zero Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:34 pm

    Plus if it was originally DPM made then why wasn't the roll carrier made from DPM, after all that bit would be best camo'd as it was exposed on 58patt webbing packs.

    I think this was revamped quiet recently as the DPM don't seem old enough to the stuff used on the nasty sweat suits of the 80's.
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    Post by kammo-man Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:00 am

    Best ..........
    go in your garden and test it on a pissing night ......
    with a couple of Nukie browns in ya lad .


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    Post by Fallschirmwomble Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:57 pm

    Gulf91 wrote:Unfortunately appears to be missing a label from the side of the hood.
    I take it the DPM base is probably a later/aftermarket addition and not original to the bag itself?

    I know it's an old post, and I can't see the pics, but I think it is a later mod, possibly on an early dossbag.

    The original dossbags had no waterproof base. ~1980, when I was buying my own kit as a cadet, it was hard work avoiding them! We were all trying to buy the newer waterproof base ones. I had one of the original canvas "'58" ponchos: horrendous kit!

    When they revised the 1962 Pattern Poncho (aka '58 poncho) to recreate it as the Lightweight Nylon Poncho (Mk2), I think they added snaps to the front bottom of it. These snaps tally with those on the revised dossbags that had a waterproof base.

    I might be wrong about the snaps not being on the original poncho and dossbag - it was about 40 years ago that I last saw one.

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    Post by Gulf91 Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:20 pm

    Fallschirmwomble wrote:
    Gulf91 wrote:Unfortunately appears to be missing a label from the side of the hood.
    I take it the DPM base is probably a later/aftermarket addition and not original to the bag itself?

    I know it's an old post, and I can't see the pics, but I think it is a later mod, possibly on an early dossbag.

    The original dossbags had no waterproof base. ~1980, when I was buying my own kit as a cadet, it was hard work avoiding them! We were all trying to buy the newer waterproof base ones. I had one of the original canvas "'58" ponchos: horrendous kit!

    When they revised the 1962 Pattern Poncho (aka '58 poncho) to recreate it as the Lightweight Nylon Poncho (Mk2), I think they added snaps to the front bottom of it. These snaps tally with those on the revised dossbags that had a waterproof base.

    I might be wrong about the snaps not being on the original poncho and dossbag - it was about 40 years ago that I last saw one.

    To my knowledge,regardless of date,ALL 58 Pattern Bags had a waterproof base. The only(pre 90s) bags that I have had or still own,that have no waterproof base are the MK2 Arctic Bags that had a separate nylon Bivy type bag.

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    Post by milly66 Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:40 am

    I remember back in 1982 buying a '58 sleeping bag from Silvermans as an army cadet. The bag was worn out, maybe 3 feathers in it but it had the waterproof DPM. In my British Army career for 6/7 years, i never encountered a DPM waterproof based 58 dos bag. I think it was done from the Surplus sellers not the MOD. IE, Silvermans put that DPM base on the bag. Just a quick note that my issue 58 bag in germany in 84 was made in 1971 and would be collectable now even though it contained only a third of a ducks feathers, so bags were used until absolutley useless/worn out. I never knew of anyone getting a brand new one. We actually thought that they had stopped making new ones before 80 as they were never seen.
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    Post by Fallschirmwomble Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:55 pm

    Gulf91 wrote:
    To my knowledge,regardless of date,ALL 58 Pattern Bags had a waterproof base. The only(pre 90s) bags that I have had or still own,that have no waterproof base are the MK2 Arctic Bags that had a separate nylon Bivy type bag.

    I know what you're saying regarding the Arctic doss bag, it's the one with the wide baffle, possibly with snaps on it? I'm not talking about that one.

    I served on/off between 1983 and 1995 and, like you, NEVER saw one of the early '58 dossbags during service. But in cadets around 1979/1980, these non-waterproof base '58 dossbags were VERY common. No-one wanted them. Silvermans used to sell them for less than the '58 we used in our time. At the time, he also sold the original horrendous rubberised canvas "'58" (Pattern '62) ponchos. I was caught out with one of those...

    Is there anyone with one of their old catalogues who can shed some light on the matter? If I remember right, it'd be one of the catalogues with a bad drawing of a soldier on the cover (in blue) with items listed inside by typewriter. They were selling SAS Combat Packs used for £42 (vastly over-priced for then) in those days - but few people knew what they were. (The genuine ones, not the later knock-ups). Festooned with phrases at the bottom of the page such as "Beware Of Imitations", "Ask Irene For Details", "DPM = Disruptive Pattern Man's"...

    It's my guess that "Mr Silverman" had the unsellable bags modified with the DPM waterproof bases - but that's pure speculation on my part.

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    Post by Fallschirmwomble Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:19 pm

    milly66 wrote:We actually thought that they had stopped making new ones before 80 as they were never seen.
    Kevin.

    Kevin,

    Check out the 9th pic:
    https://talesfromthesupplydepot.blog/2016/06/01/58-pattern-sleeping-bag/

    It follows a trend that I've noticed over the years. There WAS new kit available, it was just that the MoD bean counters and the insatiablly tight-fisted QuarterMasters never wanted to issue them until ALL existing kit was THOROUGHLY worn out.

    In the late 1980s, I was issued a brand new rifle sling - made by MWS in 1917! That item of kit had sat on shelves in various stores for ~70 YEARS. It was made DECADES before my regiment even existed! In their minds, that's effective stores management: to hell with the soldiers, keep the kit nice and orderly on the shelves and keep recycling/reissuing the rubbish for their use...  

    I didn't think to try to swap it for a used postwar one in my collection... :-(

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