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Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by Camo_fiend Fri Jul 26, 2013 8:54 am
A 29 inch waist is a large? What model is this, Hobbit? 
Interesting pattern, though.
Interesting pattern, though.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by Gulf91 Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:06 am
Labels are weird and make no sense as the sizes are way off and also a Trouser label in the Jacket!!!
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by Just a Number Fri Jul 26, 2013 9:47 am
Actually those labels look just like the labels in my Chinese knock-offs of SW Tiger Stripe.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by CollectinSteve Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:12 am
Never seen anything like this myself.
For sure it is Chinese manufactured. The question is if it is "genuine" or "commercial". The cut is Middle Eastern (ACU + epaulettes) style, which doesn't mean much any more. The hat is interesting as it appears designed for specific badging. That may indicate this is not commercial.
Steve
For sure it is Chinese manufactured. The question is if it is "genuine" or "commercial". The cut is Middle Eastern (ACU + epaulettes) style, which doesn't mean much any more. The hat is interesting as it appears designed for specific badging. That may indicate this is not commercial.
Steve
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by Gulf91 Fri Jul 26, 2013 11:16 am
Interesting.
I thought it could be Middle Eastern due to as Steve has pointed out the eppaulettes and style of belt loops.
I thought it could be Middle Eastern due to as Steve has pointed out the eppaulettes and style of belt loops.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by Camo_fiend Fri Jul 26, 2013 1:47 pm
Don't the Iraqi's have a police pattern similar to this?
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by DS9ACU Fri Jul 26, 2013 2:46 pm
I'm pretty sure its Rothco brand. I see their tags a lot and those look exactly like them. They had some kind of urban set made a few years ago and have recently brought them back.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by vonstuck Fri Jul 26, 2013 7:08 pm
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by bravo_2_zero Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:31 am
Fast and furious 6
The digital Spanish army uniform !
Towards the end of the movie the bad guy wants some sort of chip so its taken to an army base to hide. All the soldiers at the base wear this uniform and I believe the high ranking wear a baseball cap too.
Given that this movie was largely filmed in England its quiet easy to say some props were put into our market, bit like COMPAT.
The digital Spanish army uniform !
Towards the end of the movie the bad guy wants some sort of chip so its taken to an army base to hide. All the soldiers at the base wear this uniform and I believe the high ranking wear a baseball cap too.
Given that this movie was largely filmed in England its quiet easy to say some props were put into our market, bit like COMPAT.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by Gulf91 Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:03 am
bravo_2_zero wrote:Fast and furious 6
The digital Spanish army uniform !
Towards the end of the movie the bad guy wants some sort of chip so its taken to an army base to hide. All the soldiers at the base wear this uniform and I believe the high ranking wear a baseball cap too.
Given that this movie was largely filmed in England its quiet easy to say some props were put into our market, bit like COMPAT.
Nice one-Thanks.
HATE that series of films but guess Ill have to check it out now.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by nkomo Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:02 pm
Those yellow tags are commonly seen in modern Iraqi camouflage uniforms.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by Gulf91 Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:22 pm
None of the 3 items seem to have the Iraqi flag in the pattern.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by nkomo Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:31 pm
I have two sets of modern Iraqi camouflage and one black Iraqi uniform and none of them have the Iraqi flag anywhere in the pattern. The use of the Iraqi flag in the pattern may have been used in some camos, but certainly not in all.
The Iraqi SOF brown digital set I own doesn't have the Iraqi flag anywhere in the pattern. I also own a set of Iraqi desert MARPATs and that doesn't have the Iraqi flag in the pattern either.
https://iacmc.forumotion.com/t7518-iraqi-special-operations-forces-camo-uniforms
The Iraqi SOF brown digital set I own doesn't have the Iraqi flag anywhere in the pattern. I also own a set of Iraqi desert MARPATs and that doesn't have the Iraqi flag in the pattern either.
https://iacmc.forumotion.com/t7518-iraqi-special-operations-forces-camo-uniforms
Last edited by nkomo on Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:45 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by Gulf91 Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:37 pm
Excellent,so looking like it could well be Iraqi then?
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by Gulf91 Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:41 pm
vonstuck wrote:
Not that it means anything definitive but just checked the sleeve pocket on mine and tab is the same as on the chaps in the pic.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by nkomo Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:43 pm
I took some pictures of the yellow tags found in the modern Iraqi uniforms. These type tags are found in all three of my sets.
This is the tag that is found in the JACKET. Note it says trousers.
Here is a close up of the Iraqi desert MARPAT. No flags that I can see, but it does have an Eagle, Globe, Anchor and USMC in the pattern. The Chinese who copied the pattern even included the EGA/USMC logo.
This is the tag that is found in the JACKET. Note it says trousers.
Here is a close up of the Iraqi desert MARPAT. No flags that I can see, but it does have an Eagle, Globe, Anchor and USMC in the pattern. The Chinese who copied the pattern even included the EGA/USMC logo.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by bravo_2_zero Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:07 pm
nkomo wrote: I took some pictures of the yellow tags found in the modern Iraqi uniforms. These type tags are found in all three of my sets.
This is the tag that is found in the JACKET. Note it says trousers.
Here is a close up of the Iraqi desert MARPAT. No flags that I can see, but it does have an Eagle, Globe, Anchor and USMC in the pattern. The Chinese who copied the pattern even included the EGA/USMC logo.
The tags can and can't mean anything. I have exact same tags in a set of the very first replica ACU multicam poplin uniforms to hit eBay 8 years or so ago. They were made in China crap that faided white tint in the sun ( still have them somewhere ). I think well I'm 100% sure these were made in China and sold in the many Airsoft eBay shops coming out of Hong Kong. I know they do many print like DDPM, black,DPM and this.
It wouldn't be beyond say Iraq to order them direct as I guess with countries pulling out and cash stopping rolling in, the quality will suffer such as flag symbols removed from camo.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by nkomo Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:10 pm
Thanks for the comments, Eric. All three sets came straight out of Ft. Bragg. I have bo doubt on the provenance of each item.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by bravo_2_zero Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:25 pm
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Special-Force-Combat-Zipper-Uniform-Shirt-Pants-V3-Navy-Blue-XL-/130620842466?pt=AU_Hunting&hash=item1e699be1e2
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Airsoft-Baseball-Cap-with-Velcro-Attachment-Base-ABU-/140612160178?pt=AU_Men_Accessories&hash=item20bd234ab2
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SWAT-Digital-Urban-Camo-V3-BDU-Uniform-Shirt-Pants-/190755532147?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Sports_Clothing_LE&var=&hash=item2c69ea6d73
This one has a photo of yellow tags
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tactical-BDU-Uniform-Field-Shirt-Pants-V3-Digi-ACU-S-/310651899790?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48544bcf8e
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Airsoft-Baseball-Cap-with-Velcro-Attachment-Base-ABU-/140612160178?pt=AU_Men_Accessories&hash=item20bd234ab2
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SWAT-Digital-Urban-Camo-V3-BDU-Uniform-Shirt-Pants-/190755532147?pt=UK_Sporting_Goods_Sports_Clothing_LE&var=&hash=item2c69ea6d73
This one has a photo of yellow tags
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tactical-BDU-Uniform-Field-Shirt-Pants-V3-Digi-ACU-S-/310651899790?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48544bcf8e
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by nkomo Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:41 pm
Eric,
I wasn't debating the fact that these uniforms are coming out of China. I merely related the fact that these yellow tags are found in Iraqi used uniforms and we know the Iraqis are getting a lor of their uniforms out of China.
I posted pics of my tags as I know the provenance of each uniform and know for a fact they were used by Iraqi Forces. In fact, the two Iraqi SOF pieces were most likely worn by a US Special Forces advisor (3rd SFG) to the Iraqi Special Forces.
I do understand your point that the yellow tags aren't a true indication of usage.
I wasn't debating the fact that these uniforms are coming out of China. I merely related the fact that these yellow tags are found in Iraqi used uniforms and we know the Iraqis are getting a lor of their uniforms out of China.
I posted pics of my tags as I know the provenance of each uniform and know for a fact they were used by Iraqi Forces. In fact, the two Iraqi SOF pieces were most likely worn by a US Special Forces advisor (3rd SFG) to the Iraqi Special Forces.
I do understand your point that the yellow tags aren't a true indication of usage.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by bravo_2_zero Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:49 pm
nkomo wrote:Eric,
I wasn't debating the fact that these uniforms are coming out of China. I merely related the fact that these yellow tags are found in Iraqi used uniforms and we know the Iraqis are getting a lor of their uniforms out of China.
I posted pics of my tags as I know the provenance of each uniform and know for a fact they were used by Iraqi Forces. In fact, the two Iraqi SOF pieces were most likely worn by a US Special Forces advisor (3rd SFG) to the Iraqi Special Forces.
I do understand your point that the yellow tags aren't a true indication of usage.
Yeah it's just where it gets all confusing when military uses off the shelf stuff what anyone can buy and they use uniforms with peel off insignia. I guess if you don't get it off the wearer then we can only guess.
I had a quick view over the uniforms being sold out of china by Airsoft shops and WOW , the uniforms retail for more than the real deal. An ACU uniform cost less than say $15 USD here in UK , copy $75 !!!!
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by nkomo Sun Jul 28, 2013 3:56 pm
bravo_2_zero wrote:nkomo wrote:Eric,
I wasn't debating the fact that these uniforms are coming out of China. I merely related the fact that these yellow tags are found in Iraqi used uniforms and we know the Iraqis are getting a lor of their uniforms out of China.
I posted pics of my tags as I know the provenance of each uniform and know for a fact they were used by Iraqi Forces. In fact, the two Iraqi SOF pieces were most likely worn by a US Special Forces advisor (3rd SFG) to the Iraqi Special Forces.
I do understand your point that the yellow tags aren't a true indication of usage.
Yeah it's just where it gets all confusing when military uses off the shelf stuff what anyone can buy and they use uniforms with peel off insignia. I guess if you don't get it off the wearer then we can only guess.
I had a quick view over the uniforms being sold out of china by Airsoft shops and WOW , the uniforms retail for more than the real deal. An ACU uniform cost less than say $15 USD here in UK , copy $75 !!!!
And that is why collecting modern camouflage, especially from places like Iraq, is hard now and will be even harder as time progresses. Like you said, if you don't get it directly from the wearer, there will always be a question as to authenticity. That is one reason why I travel hours to go to the US Army bases and hunt for surplus. Much higher likliehood of an item being original.
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by CollectinSteve Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:39 pm
Remember that the Chinese factories making the cheap knock-offs are sometimes the same ones doing genuine contract work. And if the customer isn't willing to pay for nice, unique tags... then they get what they get. This is why you see these cheap tags in all sorts of things. It was true back in the BDU days as well. It's only gotten worse.
On top of that, quality costs money. A country like Sweden isn't going to accept things that are out of spec, like bad sizing labels for example. But for a country like Iraq? Even if we don't consider kickbacks and other forms of corruption, I don't see Iraq as being particularly concerned about the little details being correct.
To me this set is Iraqi. Or at least the Iraqis purchased some of them for use, with the factory either selling off overruns or just relabeled them and put them out to the commercial market. Either way, I'd assume it is "genuine" until proven otherwise.
Steve
On top of that, quality costs money. A country like Sweden isn't going to accept things that are out of spec, like bad sizing labels for example. But for a country like Iraq? Even if we don't consider kickbacks and other forms of corruption, I don't see Iraq as being particularly concerned about the little details being correct.
To me this set is Iraqi. Or at least the Iraqis purchased some of them for use, with the factory either selling off overruns or just relabeled them and put them out to the commercial market. Either way, I'd assume it is "genuine" until proven otherwise.
Steve
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Re: Unknown Black/Grey Digital BDU Shirt,Trs and Ball Cap.
by jimmyduncan23 Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:44 pm
Same can be said about the afghan made patches, they are used by ANA also a lot are bought by soldiers and sold else where, just because they were not issued doesn't mean they are not real or fakes in my opinion.
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