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    Deltaforce DCU Real ?????????? Opinions !

    Post by panzerwerk on Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:19 pm

    I just got this , and the gent says he may have more pieces , what do you guys think before I dump a bunch of money ??






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    Post by filupe on Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:35 pm

    The 'Delta Force' tab just screams 'fake'. To my knowledge this tab is not official in any capacity. Also, where is this officer's branch of service insignia?

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    Post by panzerwerk on Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:50 pm

    Kinda thought it could be a put together , I have his name , but Delta is impossible to research, but why the foreign jump badge ??

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    Post by Philip on Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:59 pm

    I don't think it's real.


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    Post by filupe on Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:11 pm

    The Bundeswehr jump wings are plausible. Military parachutists take every opportunity to earn another country's jump wings - all part of the 'airborne brotherhood'. Uniform regs state, however, that only one other foreign wing can be worn on the uniform at any one time.

    I would have thought that those who *really* were Delta, esp. senior officers, wouldn't go around advertising that fact ...

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    Post by nkomo on Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:24 pm

    Okay....several things to point out here. First, the "Delta Force" tab is a fantasy piece. Even with him being a Colonel, this tab would be a "no-go" for a uniform. Secondly, the mixture of OD and tan insignia is a bit puzzling. Not unheard of, just a bit odd. Lastly, the PSYOPS patch on the sleeve is not something I'd expect to see associated with a "Delta" uniform.

    I am going to include some pictures of Gary Gordon and Randyall Shughart. Look at the SSI on their uniforms.

    I am not trying to bust your balls on this uniform, Steve. The jacket just raises some serious questions about authenticity. If it was one puzzling thing, then I'd say maybe. With all the things I've sited above.....I really don't like what I'm seeing.





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    Post by nkomo on Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:29 pm

    OH....forgot to add that two Colonel's rank on the collar is also a "no-go". It should have a Colonel's rank on the right collar and Branch of Service insignia (crossed rifles for Infantry, crossed arrows for Special Forces, etc.) on the left. Just like Filupe said. Very Happy


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    Post by panzerwerk on Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:29 pm

    no worries Arch , I figured it was fantasy , but I thought I would run it on the boards for fun , if this was a real piece ,it would have been from the 80's and the tan web and ranks would not have been used , the guy says he has more of this guys stuff , I am interested in what he comes up with !!


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    Post by nkomo on Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:44 pm

    As far as researching Delta members.....don't waste your time. VERY secretive organization for obvious reasons. Doing a internet search will probably net you nothing. That is the case with most SF pieces. I have numerous named SF uniforms and 9/10 times....nothing is found on the soldier.


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    Post by Guest on Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:33 pm

    Saw this uniform as well on ebay and didnt think it was real due to the fact it has naval ranks on it and the patches all dont match looks like a put together

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    Post by panzerwerk on Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:08 pm

    naval ranks

    ????????? Rank is for Colonel ,same as Army , how are these specifically Navy ??????

    And just a heads up for you , during the first Gulf war , Tan patches and tapes started to be used , it was not so uncommon to see a shirt with both tan and OD patches and name tapes mixed in , there are much better things on this shirt to make it a fake .

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    Post by panzerwerk on Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:13 pm

    PSYOPS patch on the sleeve

    Patch is not Psyops , its 1st Special Operations Command Obsolete version .

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    Post by AndrewA74 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:31 pm

    panzerwerk wrote:
    PSYOPS patch on the sleeve

    Patch is not Psyops , its 1st Special Operations Command Obsolete version .
    ...Which was very heavily involved in PSYOPS.
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    Post by panzerwerk on Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:39 pm

    Into and dedicated are 2 different things , the patch represents the 1st Special Operations command , its far more then just PYSOPS . Come on guys !! Really ????

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    Post by panzerwerk on Mon Nov 22, 2010 6:44 pm

    Click here for the patch :

    HERE

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    Post by nkomo on Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:16 pm

    1st Special Operations Command? DAMN IT!!!! I always mess up with the patches. Leaves me with a little egg on my face. Embarassed Does anyone know when this version of patch became obsolete?

    Even with my misidentifiction of the patch, I'm still sticking to my guns and saying this is a made up piece due to the rank and Delta Force tab.


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    Post by panzerwerk on Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:31 pm

    Even with my misidentifiction of the patch, I'm still sticking to my guns and saying this is a made up piece due to the rank and Delta Force tab

    Copy that Bro ! I did find an article online of a young Capt of the same name who was with the 1st Special Operations unit in the first gulf war , but Capt is a long way from Colonel !!!

    OK guys there are really only a few things that make this piece bad , double rank ,Delta Tab , wrong time for mixed color patches , other then that , everything else is plausible, Even the double rank is vaguely plausible but unlikely, Again , I am not defending this shirt and truly think its a put together , some airsoft Rambo !!! LOL


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    Post by AndrewA74 on Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:20 pm

    Yup, it's a peice together. A couple of other red flags you didn't mention:

    I believe that the pathfinder would have gone under the wings, but above the pocket edge. I have a DCU with that type of badging and it is set up like that. Another thing, typically in that time era, the guy ethier had subdued or all desert (look at the early photos of Gen. Schwartzkoff). But the flag, only members of SETAF (Southern European Task Force) were authorized to wear flags on their uniforms at that period. If nothing else, take off the patches, use them to restore something else. That jump badge is really neat looking, might be theatre made.
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    Post by panzerwerk on Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:38 pm

    I believe that the pathfinder would have gone under the wings

    Thats the problem with believing Andrew,I am not even going to get into the flag thing .


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    Post by nkomo on Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:03 am

    As far as I know...the Pathfinder badge is where it should be.



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    Post by AndrewA74 on Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:19 am

    Maybe I'm misreading something? Apparently my information is unreliable? Well, I meant that when you only have two badges like this, the pathfinder does not go on the pocket flap. This what I have seen from direct uniform evidence. Secondly, with the flags, I'm getting this information from a retired 1SG who was in Desert Storm himself.
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    Post by Mercenary25 on Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:31 am



    Like Arch would say, "Gentlemen, let's keep it civil". Laughing

    All kidding aside, Steve, I hope you didn't pay too much for it. Neutral


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    Post by panzerwerk on Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:55 am

    no I did not , I bought it for the flair as , I knew deep down inside it was a fake , too many things were just not right LOL

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    Post by nkomo on Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:07 am


    When three badges are worn, two badges are centered 1⁄4 inch above the U.S. Army tape in a
    vertical line with 1⁄2 inch between badges, and one is worn centered on the pocket flap, 1⁄8 inch below the top of the
    pocket.

    When two badges are worn, both are centered 1⁄4 inch above the U.S. Army tape in a vertical line with 1⁄2 inch
    between badges.

    If only one badge is worn, it is centered 1⁄4 inch above the U.S. Army tape (see fig 29–58).


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    Post by nkomo on Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:08 am

    I give up!!!!!!!!!! I am sticking with my modified DCU's/BDU's and my field gear. All these patches and patch placements are killing me! Laughing Laughing Laughing


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