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    Post by Wolverine Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:13 pm

    In this thread I will post pictures of various items that have lived in my mystery box for too long now. Any help is appreciated.

    Cotton bandoleer - well made, pockets closed with buttons, strap can be shortened with buttons/button holes:
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    Pouch with twill ties - looks to be for a poncho perhaps, twill tapes are typical of some Soviet items, and cloth is very rough and cheap:
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    Post by Wolverine Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:16 pm

    ALICE-type magazine pouches - somewhat roughly made, the pocket closers resemeble those on Greek M1971 magazine pouches.
    Are these Greek?
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    Rifle magazine belt - basically similar to an M1937 belt, but with rougher materials and finishing all around.
    The canvas used for the pocket bodies is typical of French equipment from the 1950s-70s, but I have never heard of a French rifle belt.
    Any ideas?
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    Post by Wolverine Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:19 pm

    Tool or parts roll - note the number stamp:
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    Tool or parts roll - waterproof material, note the number stamp:
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    Post by Wolverine Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:21 pm

    Pistol belts with Davis buckles - no markings on the buckles, the belts show some use:
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    Post by Wolverine Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:23 pm

    Entrenching tool carrier - the hardward is typical of Indian made WE 37, but the body of the carrier is well made, with leather reinforcement on the inside. This will not fit a British 1939 pattern entrenching tool, but it will fit something like a Swiss tool for example. The canvas reminds me of Belgian WE 37-type webbing.
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    Post by Wolverine Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:24 pm

    Olive green hoods - inside lining is very itchy purple material, one of the hoods as an ink stamp:

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    Post by Wolverine Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:25 pm

    Holster - for a small-framed pistol, looks like it had D-rings on the rear at some point.
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    Post by Wolverine Mon Jul 17, 2017 12:59 pm

    Does anyone recognize this style of name tape? Could it be from Luxembourg?

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    Post by ripcord Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:25 pm

    I dont think it's from Luxembourg.

    Lux ( Olive /Black ) nametapes look similar to Belgian nametapes..


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    Post by Gulf91 Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:33 pm

    Wolverine wrote:Entrenching tool carrier - the hardward is typical of Indian made WE 37, but the body of the carrier is well made, with leather reinforcement on the inside. This will not fit a British 1939 pattern entrenching tool, but it will fit something like a Swiss tool for example. The canvas reminds me of Belgian WE 37-type webbing.
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    Israeli copy of the British rigid shovel cover. I believe that they used British issue ones early on,when they wore out they made their own version which again i believe as never owned either,which was slightly different to the British issue/made ones.
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    Post by Gulf91 Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:36 pm

    Wolverine wrote:Tool or parts roll - note the number stamp:
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    Tool or parts roll - waterproof material, note the number stamp:
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    Both are British as you thought tool rolls,what tools I have no idea and the second one looks to be made of rubberised jungle type material.
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    Post by Wolverine Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:37 pm

    ripcord wrote:I dont think it's from Luxembourg.  

    Lux ( Olive /Black )  nametapes look similar to Belgian  nametapes..


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    Agreed, it is not the normal Lux style, and not normal Belgian either. I found the tape in Belgium, near the Dutch/German borders. I thought it might be some type of custom name tape, and judging by the ethnicity of the name, it could be Belgian, Lux, or German. I read online that this is also a popular Turkish name...


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    Post by Wolverine Mon Jul 17, 2017 1:39 pm

    Thanks for the info on the shovel carrier and tool rolls Richard...
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    Post by Gulf91 Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:18 pm

    Wolverine wrote:Pistol belts with Davis buckles - no markings on the buckles, the belts show some use:
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    Could the lower of the 2 belts be Argentinian maybe? Know they used a similar one but the buckles Im sure on those are stamped Tempex but then again I have a few US Vietnam issue ones with the same buckles,some are stamped Davis,others are devoid of any stamps.
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    Post by Wolverine Mon Jul 17, 2017 4:21 pm

    I don't know Argentinian kit well enough to hazard a guess on that one - I will look into it further though. Various armies have used versions of the Davis buckle, but it is often difficult to see much detail in available photographs.
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    Post by CollectinSteve Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:39 pm

    I think the name tape is Turkish. There's only a few nations that have regularly put a border around their names, Turkey being one of them (Hungary too, but this is not Hungarian). I Googled the name and it came up with a bunch of Turkish links, so that's pretty encouraging.

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    Post by Wolverine Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:26 am

    Agreed, after searching the name, Turkey seems most likely.
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    Post by Wolverine Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:01 am

    Wolverine wrote:Thanks for the info on the shovel carrier and tool rolls Richard...

    It turns out that the roll stamped 225489 is for wash/shaving kit. I have seen them identified as 1944 pattern wash rolls or jungle wash rolls. I am not sure yet of the correct nomenclature. According to one site, this roll was designed such that it could be worn around the waist.
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    Post by michelwijnand Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:49 pm

    Do any of the belts happen to come from Holland? I've seen a few pop up in marine corps piles. Though in too broken down condition for me to take one to compare to yours.

    And the BAR belt, have you compared it to Portuguese para versions?
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    Post by michelwijnand Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:30 pm

    Now I have one too, but damn, look how close the button is to the buckle. I'll check if it has no markings on the buckle tomorrow.
    I've searched the net a bit, still no definate answer about this M36 model belt with Davis Buckles.
    As I understand the Dutch marines have used a number of belt with these buckles, though I have yet to scour my photo files for any reference.
    But this makes yet another variation of this type...

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    Post by Wolverine Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:48 pm

    I can't remember now where I found those pistol belts, but it was somewhere in Canada. It would be cool if there is a Kmarns connection.

    As for the BAR belt, I don't have a known Portuguese example for comparison side by side. It occurred to me though that Portugal could be a candidate.
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    Post by michelwijnand Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:09 pm

    I have none either, and no good photos saved.
    When I made a Portuguese army loadout I came across a few of those belts on ebay, seem like a very likely connection.
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    Post by abefroman Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:43 pm

    Doesn't look Portuguese. I think it may be South Korean based on what I have told about another I saw with a dealer. The ALICE pouches are specially made for the Italian Carabinieri Tuscania regiment and used in Somalia 92-93. A nice item, where did you pick those up?
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    Post by Wolverine Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:08 pm

    The ALICE pouches came from a box of kit sourced in the Netherlands. Are you sure about the Italian connection? I was pretty sure they were Greek.
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    Post by abefroman Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:16 pm

    Wolverine wrote:The ALICE pouches came from a box of kit sourced in the Netherlands. Are you sure about the Italian connection? I was pretty sure they were Greek.

    Do you have pictures of them loaded with mags?

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