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    South African and Homelands Items

    TennoHeikaNate
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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:31 am

    Get ready, here comes another dump thread! This time for all my SADF and SANDF items, as well as various police force and uniforms from the former Homelands.
    Starting with some basic SADF Nutria, including an unissued 1983 dated shirt, unissued 1994 bush hat, a pair of 1985 "Pongo" trousers, and 1980 dated bush "field dress" jacket


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    A cadet pocket flash, featuring the old SA flag. There's writing in red pen on the back, but I can't make it out.
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    A tan beret, which I think was for the Signals Corps?
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    This brassard and Sgt. chevrons came with the beret, the chevrons seem like they are for an older or different uniform/brassard,
    but for fun I taped it on the brassard and put that and the cadet fob on the shirt for display purposes.
    I did however forget to take a separate pic of the brassard and chevrons, so this is all I got until I can dig them out again.

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    A parade dress jacket I bought off a certain Finnish surplus site many years ago, this one was made by Rhinotex in 1990.
    I'm not sure what branch/service or occasion this jacket would be worn in, they came unissued and were all missing their buttons,
    so Germanic pebbled buttons were provided with them. Another one I need to dig out and take new pics of.

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    My unfinished set of Pattern 70 webbing, including the belt, yoke, kidney pouches, a haversack, and a pair of Pattern 64
    ammunition pouches.

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    A basic Pattern 83 chest rig, no tag but several former owners' names and numbers are written inside several of the pocket flaps.
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    The classic Pattern 83 Field Pack Assembly, or "Battle Jacket", this one made by SAPHI in 1994.
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    A 32 Battalion "Dry Season" camouflage coat. This one is heavier than a shirt with waist and hem drawstrings and button adjustable
    cuffs, but lacks the lower pockets and buttons for a liner like the heavier bush jackets, some kind of "intermediate" coat.

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    A pair of "Dry Season" trousers, and together with the coat showing the color difference.
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    A pair of "Wet Season" trousers, close to if not unissued condition.
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    A pair of Recce "Copy A" trousers, in the "Recce Wet Season" pattern, produced before the 32 Bat's "Wet and Dry" patterns were made,
    but this pattern was also said to be used by the 32 Bn Reconnaissance Wing.

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    An unissued Recce "Copy O" shirt, copy of the Cuban "Elm Leaf" pattern.
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    Now some SADF helmets, first the classic M63 "Staaldaak". This one's shell is dated 1964.
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    Here's an early M83 para helmet, this one is not a South African made one like the SAPHI ones, but rather an earlier
    Israeli made-for-export Orlite OR-201, differentiated by the fiberglass/ballistic nylon shell, smooth OD green paint, flat rivets,
    Israeli canvas 3-point chinstrap, ribbed front and back foam pads, and the side foam pads. Also came with the "peaked/billed" Nutria cover.

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    A CVC helmet, which I was told this was the "Noddy Car" or armored car crewman's helmet for Elands and Ratels, but
    I've also seen it worn by Oliphant crews, so I have no idea the extent of issue of these helmets.
    I also don't know when they were first made or when they were retired, and mine seems devoid of any sticker or stamps for maker
    or year of production. I have seen another type of SADF CVC helmet that was larger, more substantial with a more typical
    looking shell, but they had rigid sun bills that could be removed.

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    Now some SAP and SARP stuff, starting with a pair of 2nd SAP pattern trousers, dated 1980-81, I forgot to take a tag
    pic but the size seemed to imply these are women's trousers.

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    A 2nd pattern long sleeve shirt, named to Thevenau and dated 1978.
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    Another 2nd pattern shirt, short sleeved, named to Rawlins and dated 1989. Also a comparison shot with the other shirt.
    I understand there's a large variation not just in color, but in the pattern itself as well.

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    A basic 2nd pattern flap cap, sadly the front badge was cut off as well as the flap, and it suffered a couple of burn holes.
    It also has an orange leather "DayGlo" panel on the interior.

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    A couple of color difference shots, and one showing slight pattern differences.
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    A South African Railways basic camouflage shirt, dated 1983.
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    A 1985 dated bush hat, with its curiously stitched and padded crown, and external chinstrap.
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    And the SARP trousers, with their special thigh Uzi magazine pockets and the other (utility?) pocket on the opposing thigh.
    Interestingly the field dressing pocket has been made useless by the belt loop being sewn down through the top of the opening.
    And the whole set together.

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    Now some former Homelands DF and police stuff, starting with a Bophuthatswana Defense Force DPM short sleeve
    shirt, made by Action Fit in 1993.

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    A well worn pair of BDF DPM trousers, made by Paladin in 1992, and together with the shirt.
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    A Bop Police "Grasslands" camo short sleeve shirt.
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    The trousers, and together with the shirt.
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    Some Transkei vertical brushstroke, starting with an unissued long sleeve shirt and bush hat, which I forgot again to take
    pics of these by themselves.

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    A well worn short sleeve shirt, with missing para wings badge over the right breast pocket.
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    An unissued "early" (as I'm told) bush jacket, also made by Sun but with a different style of "rising sun" tag, with yellow lettering.
    This jacket has slanted upper chest pockets, shorter epaulets, elongated "oval" elbow pads, and pointed cuff tabs.

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    Versus a used "later" style of jacket, also Sun made but with green lettering, straight chest pockets, longer epaulets,
    round "donut" elbow pads, and square cuff tabs.

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    A pair of unissued trousers.
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    And the unissued pieces together with shirt and jacket
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    And to end for now, a set of S2000 I got years ago. This is an early set in the SADF cut.
    Once again, only took this pic real quick, then put it in storage. I will need to dig it out someday and take some more detailed pics.
    The shirt is named to Van Vuuren and has a basic "Skiet Balskie" above it, which from what I can tell is a marksmanship badge,
    though I don't know exactly how the SADF/SANDF scoring system worked in that transitional period. You can also see the badges are
    still in Nutria; I'm not sure which year the change happened but current SANDF tapes/badges are black or maroon on green.
    It's also missing some rank patches from the collar.
    The shirt was made by Cactus in 1994, and the trousers are 1995 but I don't remember the maker.

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    And some 90's pics of S2000, in light of the recent announcement that the SANDF is trialing some new patterns to possibly replace it.
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    First testing of the NTW 20mm Anti-material rifle prototype. Infantry School Oudtshoorn, 1995
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    LMG gunner while preparing ex-MK-APLA troops for inception into the SANDF, Infantry School, Oudtshoorn 1998
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    SANDF arresting a fellow SANDF soldier after a mutiny over pay, 1990's
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    Patrol, Infantry School, Oudtshoorn, 1999. Note the webbing/LBV assembly
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    SADF troepie, 1993, during the first S2000 camo trials
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    Enjoy!
    -Nate
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    Post by tlundberg1 Wed Dec 14, 2022 10:08 pm

    Outstanding post and great collection of South African items! I especially like the in use photos.

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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:14 am

    Thank you lundberg! I tried to keep the reference photos lighter this time to save on scrolling but I may post more as I eventually pick up more items. Some of them however, like the photos of the Bop field police wearing their grasslands camo are the only in-use photos I could find.
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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Mon May 01, 2023 1:25 am

    Another recent acquisition, a 32 Bat (and later used by recces according to an older thread on here) wet season pattern ALICE-type rucksack.
    Apparently introduced in the early 90's to replace the older emerald green and DPM rucksacks along with some other wet season pattern equipment.
    This ruck greatly resembles a US medium ALICE pack, but with some added features.
    It has a US-made frame (most I've seen have a black SA made copy frame), and the straps are very similar but made of a thinner, cheaper black nylon with
    plastic hardware.
    The three outer pockets have elastic tops, and the main compartment closes via drawstring with a barrel plunger and has an interior radio pouch.
    It differs in that it has an added lower rectangular pocket that loads from the rear and closes via drawstring with two buckle straps, and it has two smaller buckle-closed pockets on the sides.
    It also has a ring of black webbing with large grommets similar to the medium ALICE, but with two velcro loop straps on the sides.
    The waist strap buckle also appears to be an unmarked copy of a Nexus buckle.
    It has "I0044" written on the top flap, and has additional but illegible writing above that.
    Unfortunately I have no in-use photos of one being used.


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    Post by zvez Fri May 19, 2023 5:24 pm

    GReat stuff, the recces also had east german rain pattern copy uniforms, same cut as the others, they also had a patrol cap and beret in rain pattern.

    Pic of Bob Mckenzie, Reid Daly transkei ca 85.
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