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    Post by nkomo Wed May 09, 2012 3:08 am

    Back in the early 90's after the Soviet Union break-up, Russia exported a lot of uniforms to the United States. You could go to gun shows and find piles of used Soviet uniforms ranging from camo to standard field uniforms.

    One time I was going through a pile of Soviet uniforms and found this unusual pair of camo trousers. It didn't look like any Soviet pattern I had encountered, so I picked it up anyway for like $5

    I had originally thought these pants were Portugese, but I don't think that is correct. Does anyone have a CLUE as to the origin of these pants? I have showed these on several camouflage collector forums and no one has been able to figure it out.


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    Post by shoru Wed May 09, 2012 10:39 am

    I've never seen this pattern before... interesting item. Smile
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    Post by nkomo Wed May 09, 2012 1:36 pm

    Thanks, Shoru. No one seems to have seen this pattern before and it is driving me crazy! Laughing


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    Post by mcoleman762 Wed May 09, 2012 1:37 pm

    Hey Arch,

    I'm pretty sure I know what these are. They are definately not Soviet. You won't believe it when I tell you. Shocked

    Let me guess, the knees are reenforced with horizontal stitching? Is there a tiny size tag in the back of the waist?

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    Post by drmatz Wed May 09, 2012 1:40 pm

    looks a lot like portuguese lizard pants... my guess is either that was surplus provided by the soviets to either mozambique, or angola...



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    Post by nkomo Wed May 09, 2012 2:01 pm

    mcoleman762 wrote:Hey Arch,

    I'm pretty sure I know what these are. They are definately not Soviet. You won't believe it when I tell you. Shocked

    Let me guess, the knees are reenforced with horizontal stitching? Is there a tiny size tag in the back of the waist?

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    Mike,
    No horizontal stitching on the knees and no size tag either.


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    Post by shoru Wed May 09, 2012 2:11 pm

    nkomo, may I ask a question, since when are you collecting military related items?
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    Post by nkomo Wed May 09, 2012 2:30 pm

    I have been collecting militaria for 27 years. Very Happy My dad got me into it when I was 10 years of age and I've been going strong ever since.


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    Post by nkomo Wed May 09, 2012 2:36 pm

    drmatz wrote:looks a lot like portuguese lizard pants... my guess is either that was surplus provided by the soviets to either mozambique, or angola...

    Could be, Danilo.


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    Post by saltefanden Wed May 09, 2012 2:46 pm

    Yikes, 27 years?!?

    I've only really been at it for 4, and already the girlfriend is starting to nag and complain...

    What's your secret Arch, change house or change wife?

    I thought Portuguese too on the trousers, but will look forward to learn more from the good people on this very forum!
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    Post by nkomo Wed May 09, 2012 4:12 pm

    saltefanden wrote:Yikes, 27 years?!?

    I've only really been at it for 4, and already the girlfriend is starting to nag and complain...

    What's your secret Arch, change house or change wife?

    I thought Portuguese too on the trousers, but will look forward to learn more from the good people on this very forum!

    Well......I have a VERY understanding wife. She is very supportive of my hobby and comes along on my surplus shop adventures. My wife even buys me items for my collection. For instance, she bought me a modified desert tiger stripe shirt and a Blackhawk I.T.S. HPFU AOR-1 set for Father's Day!!!!! To top it off, she is even helping me make home made mannequins for my display I'm doing this month. Very Happy

    NOW.....I have moved to a bigger house since we got married. As of right now, my "war room" is housed in a 100sq. ft. room, but am in the process (albeit SLOW process) of moving to a 400 sq. ft. room.


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    Post by saltefanden Wed May 09, 2012 4:24 pm

    I gotta work on the 'supportive girlfriend' angle then! Very Happy

    Cheers Arch, and hope we all find closure on your trouser's provinance!
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    Post by mcoleman762 Wed May 09, 2012 6:29 pm

    nkomo wrote:Mike,
    No horizontal stitching on the knees and no size tag either.

    Interesting. These trousers are a differant variant than what I was expecting. What you have there are a pair of South African Recce Portuguese "copy camo" trousers. They were made specifically for cross-border ops, and were designed to be sterile. As produced, they only have a small size tag, and sometimes a paper tag denoting the copy pattern. Please see the following thread. Halfway down you'll see Gilles posted photos of his Recce copy Port shirt.

    https://iacmc.forumotion.com/t3791-unknown-portuguese-uniform

    The trousers that go with this shirt usually lack side pockets, and have heavy reenforcement at the knees.

    Your trousers are a slight color variation, which I've seen only seen a couple examples of. Notice that the green is much brighter on Gilles' example. The color variance of your trousers isn't just due to fading, as I've seen new examples with that same muted green. You'll see the pattern is the same though. I can post some photos once I'm at my home computer.

    This Recce copy pattern is quite distinct. It's made to replicate the Portuguese M63 lizard pattern and is a close copy. However it lacks the fine detail of the original, with the shapes appearing more thick and blotchy.

    How on Earth that ended up in a pile of scrap Soviet uniforms is a mystery.

    Cheers,

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    Post by nkomo Wed May 09, 2012 9:01 pm

    mcoleman762 wrote:
    nkomo wrote:Mike,
    No horizontal stitching on the knees and no size tag either.

    Interesting. These trousers are a differant variant than what I was expecting. What you have there are a pair of South African Recce Portuguese "copy camo" trousers. They were made specifically for cross-border ops, and were designed to be sterile. As produced, they only have a small size tag, and sometimes a paper tag denoting the copy pattern. Please see the following thread. Halfway down you'll see Gilles posted photos of his Recce copy Port shirt.

    https://iacmc.forumotion.com/t3791-unknown-portuguese-uniform

    The trousers that go with this shirt usually lack side pockets, and have heavy reenforcement at the knees.

    Your trousers are a slight color variation, which I've seen only seen a couple examples of. Notice that the green is much brighter on Gilles' example. The color variance of your trousers isn't just due to fading, as I've seen new examples with that same muted green. You'll see the pattern is the same though. I can post some photos once I'm at my home computer.

    This Recce copy pattern is quite distinct. It's made to replicate the Portuguese M63 lizard pattern and is a close copy. However it lacks the fine detail of the original, with the shapes appearing more thick and blotchy.

    How on Earth that ended up in a pile of scrap Soviet uniforms is a mystery.

    Cheers,

    Mike

    Thank you very much, Mike! Very Happy


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    Post by shoru Thu May 10, 2012 12:31 pm

    Wow, you already collected gear when I wasn't even born, haha. Very Happy
    I guess times have changed, especially the prices...


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