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John Brown
Gulf91
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COAT,TACTICAL,FLIGHT DUTY UNIFORM(TDFU)-ARAMID
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 53
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
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Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 53
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
Sorry for the poor pics,trying to get them up before I shoot off to work.
John Brown- Sergeant
- Location : Houston, Texas
Registration date : 2011-09-11
Number of posts : 234
Hard to tell from the pix, but isn't that the ACU pattern?
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 53
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
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I do apologise for the rubbish pics but pretty sure its USAF Tiger pattern?
John Brown- Sergeant
- Location : Houston, Texas
Registration date : 2011-09-11
Number of posts : 234
I may be old, but I'm not that dunderheaded, yetGulf91 wrote:I do apologise for the rubbish pics but pretty sure its USAF Tiger pattern?
ACU (Army Combat Uniform) pattern is the design for a specific garment type instituted by and primarily used by the U. S. Army.
UCP (Universal Camouflage Pattern) is the camouflage pattern used with the ACU pattern (Multicam is also used with the ACU pattern).
"ACU" is not a camouflage description.
ACU pattern:
The garment you picture appears to be an ACU produced in the Air Force's digital tiger stripe camouflage pattern.
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 53
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
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John,in that case Im the dumbass as around here all US Army items in the digicam type cam is referred to as ACU EG ACU helmet cover,ACU vest etc.
Sorry for any confusion.
Sorry for any confusion.
Camo_fiend- MODERATOR
- Name : Ben
Location : Lefthand side of the Atlantic
Registration date : 2009-07-22
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That's how most people refer to them... I know that UCP is the official designation for that pattern, but for what it's worth, I've never heard anyone refer to anything as UCP. All the soldiers I know just say ACU "X" (be it vest, hat, trousers, goretex, etc.), as everyone knows what it means. ACU has colloquially come to mean the pattern itself.Gulf91 wrote:John,in that case Im the dumbass as around here all US Army items in the digicam type cam is referred to as ACU EG ACU helmet cover,ACU vest etc.
Sorry for any confusion.
I know first-hand that no one in the Air Force calls our camo digital tiger stripe, we just say ABUs and ABU-patterned whatever. Just like no one calls the "OEF Camo Pattern" by its name of OCP, we just call them MultiCams.
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Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 53
Location : Wales
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Camo_fiend wrote:That's how most people refer to them... I know that UCP is the official designation for that pattern, but for what it's worth, I've never heard anyone refer to anything as UCP. All the soldiers I know just say ACU "X" (be it vest, hat, trousers, goretex, etc.), as everyone knows what it means. ACU has colloquially come to mean the pattern itself.Gulf91 wrote:John,in that case Im the dumbass as around here all US Army items in the digicam type cam is referred to as ACU EG ACU helmet cover,ACU vest etc.
Sorry for any confusion.
I know first-hand that no one in the Air Force calls our camo digital tiger stripe, we just say ABUs and ABU-patterned whatever. Just like no one calls the "OEF Camo Pattern" by its name of OCP, we just call them MultiCams.
Cheers Ben,so Im not a dumbass after all
John Brown- Sergeant
- Location : Houston, Texas
Registration date : 2011-09-11
Number of posts : 234
Like my momma used to tell me: "If Bobby and Janie call black people [ethnic slurs], does that make it okay for you to call them that, too?"
Language skills are important, as we've just witnessed.
When the Army finalizes their decision for a new camo, and starts producing ACUs in the new pattern, is the UCP still going to be described as "ACU"?
I guess that since this is military gear board, I'd hoped that folks would know the difference between ACU and UCP, and not just lump it together like they do on Facebook and other places where the users don't know much (if at all) about camouflage or military subjects while ignorantly running their mouths about it.
I'm on a Kalashnikov enthusiast's board, and we give the guys there a hard time that call everything ever produced at a Kalashnikov plant an "AK-47". On that board, we expect folks to know the difference.
Now, back on topic: Who would be issued this type of garment? Pilots? Aircrew?
Can we get some better pix?
Language skills are important, as we've just witnessed.
When the Army finalizes their decision for a new camo, and starts producing ACUs in the new pattern, is the UCP still going to be described as "ACU"?
I guess that since this is military gear board, I'd hoped that folks would know the difference between ACU and UCP, and not just lump it together like they do on Facebook and other places where the users don't know much (if at all) about camouflage or military subjects while ignorantly running their mouths about it.
I'm on a Kalashnikov enthusiast's board, and we give the guys there a hard time that call everything ever produced at a Kalashnikov plant an "AK-47". On that board, we expect folks to know the difference.
Now, back on topic: Who would be issued this type of garment? Pilots? Aircrew?
Can we get some better pix?
Gulf91- Colonel
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Camo_fiend- MODERATOR
- Name : Ben
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I'm telling you from first hand experience that soldiers call it ACU in reference to the pattern and not the cut of uniform. They also still know the difference. Yes, it's not technically correct, but there's enough acronyms and everyone knows what it is, and their jargon reflects that. People called the old camo BDUs, not M81 Woodland Camouflage, it's just easier than using two terms for the same thing.
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saltefanden- Lieutenant
- Age : 48
Location : Denmark
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Not to stir anything, but how would one go about referring to the 'AF digital tigerstripe' camo on ABU's?
Is it called just that, as I believe ABU, like ACU, would be the cut and type of the USAF uniform?
Just to be correct
Is it called just that, as I believe ABU, like ACU, would be the cut and type of the USAF uniform?
Just to be correct
Camo_fiend- MODERATOR
- Name : Ben
Location : Lefthand side of the Atlantic
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The proper designation for the Air Force camo pattern is s***, erm, digital tiger stripe, yes. The style is ABU (which in terms of cut aside from a couple extra pockets) is nearly identical to the layout of the old BDUs.
But we just call it ABU "X", be it hat, parka, trousers, etc. It refers to pattern, and the uniform all in one. A universal term, I guess.
But we just call it ABU "X", be it hat, parka, trousers, etc. It refers to pattern, and the uniform all in one. A universal term, I guess.
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saltefanden- Lieutenant
- Age : 48
Location : Denmark
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Cheers Ben, and no worries, I suspected as much
I've had a hard time designating all my 'native' camo schemes correctly myself; I guess I was looking for the quick fix to all things ABU... Thanks again!
I've had a hard time designating all my 'native' camo schemes correctly myself; I guess I was looking for the quick fix to all things ABU... Thanks again!
Kan- Junior Sergeant
- Name : Justin Inman
Age : 35
Location : Aviano AB, Italy
Registration date : 2010-06-25
Number of posts : 86
Very nice find, I've seen a pic or two of these, but never en-mass. I believe flight surgeons wore these at one point, or other airborne medical personnel. Where did you come across this at?
sh4pak- Junior Lieutenant
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Hmmmm.... "antistatic" fiber-content. That piques my curiosity, as I have not run across it, yet.
Possibly EOD?
Possibly EOD?
John Brown- Sergeant
- Location : Houston, Texas
Registration date : 2011-09-11
Number of posts : 234
More likely for aviation fuel handlers.sh4pak wrote:Hmmmm.... "antistatic" fiber-content. That piques my curiosity, as I have not run across it, yet.
Possibly EOD?
Sparks can touch off spilled fuel (on sleeve cuffs, for instance)
Kan- Junior Sergeant
- Name : Justin Inman
Age : 35
Location : Aviano AB, Italy
Registration date : 2010-06-25
Number of posts : 86
Fuel handlers typically wear a coverall when fueling, as I've been told by a POL buddy of mine. A good general thing to go by is if you see more velcro than for a rank tab or name tape USAF wise, it didn't belong to a regular airman.
Gulf91- Colonel
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Kan wrote:Fuel handlers typically wear a coverall when fueling, as I've been told by a POL buddy of mine. A good general thing to go by is if you see more velcro than for a rank tab or name tape USAF wise, it didn't belong to a regular airman.
Not being that clued up USAF wise,what is a regular airman?
Thanks
Kan- Junior Sergeant
- Name : Justin Inman
Age : 35
Location : Aviano AB, Italy
Registration date : 2010-06-25
Number of posts : 86
Maintainers, Office guys, and the like.
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 53
Location : Wales
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Kan wrote:Maintainers, Office guys, and the like.
Thanks for the clarification.
So it looks more than likely pilot,Aircrew etc?
Kan- Junior Sergeant
- Name : Justin Inman
Age : 35
Location : Aviano AB, Italy
Registration date : 2010-06-25
Number of posts : 86
As I brought up above, yes. The few pics I've seen of these are them being worn by aircrew medical personnel.
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