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    M51 gas Mask bag contents.

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    Post by Antarmike Tue Sep 24, 2019 1:42 pm

    I am trying to identify the contents of  an M51 gas mask pouch.

    First two items
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    First pouch feels like it contains pills/pellets/balls or whatever. They feel about 6mm diameter. and a lot of them....

    The other pouch has a cylindrical item.  (one end of which feels like a squeezeable rubber bulb so I am guessing maybe a dropper or pipette associate with identification kit? (But my worry is the packaging is so thick it is difficult to feel the contents and could possibly be a self injector/ antidote which in which case it may contain a class A drug)

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    Obviously test solutions from an identification kit?  But chemical or Chemical and Biological??

    All tubes appear full and unused.  Is there likely to be anything noxious or dangerous in this capsules?  What time period are they from?

    They are a perfect fot fpr the side pockets and top flap pocket that I am ssuming they are the correct contents for these pockets?  Correct or not?
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    Thanks Mike
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    Post by Wolverine Wed Sep 25, 2019 10:09 pm

    Mike I think the first two packets are atropen self injectors. These were meant to be carried in pairs inside the respirator bag.

    I have not seen anything like the little box before. It's pretty cool though.

    I can't speak to the safety of any of this stuff.
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    Post by Antarmike Thu Sep 26, 2019 3:08 am

    Wolverine wrote:Mike I think the first two packets are atropen self injectors. These were meant to be carried in pairs inside the respirator bag.

    I have not seen anything like the little box before. It's pretty cool though.

    I can't speak to the safety of any of this stuff.
    Tahnks, the contents of the two packets are totally different.

    The one I descibed as pills clearly has no pen in it, Bag is not rigid and bends relatively easily. Having another feel the contents are more like capsules or jelly-beans. I imagine they are some form of self dosing antidote?. Mike
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    Post by Wolverine Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:07 am

    Ah, okay, I didn't read your original post closely enough.
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    Post by belgium_one Thu Sep 26, 2019 9:16 am

    Hello Smile

    Look at this : http://users.skynet.be/flexaret/gear/chemical1.html?x=85&y=10

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    Post by Antarmike Thu Sep 26, 2019 2:56 pm

    Thank you for that link,  I already have an empty CW-110-0410 ( Outer container only)

    The info on the items I posted  indicate it is all rest gear so the cylindrical object in the package would not be a self-injector, so that eases my ming that I might have Diazapam (class C drug)

    The bag this lot came in is indeed marked in Black (top and front) with the symbol indicating test kit not gas mask referred to in your link, so the gas mask that came with it is an intruder, and I am missing the spare plastic bottles that should take its place.

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    Great link, thanks,
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    Post by fallout Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:39 am

    I can't really say about what you have as I have never seen them, but they would have to be pre 1971. Here is my fully complete 70s-80s era kit(The guy who helped me get it took this photo, I have the kit but it's packed away at the moment).

    -Gas Mask Bag
    -M51 Gas Mask with Filter
    -Set of 2 Autropine Injectors in Plastic Box
    -Powder Tube for Burns
    -Dosimeter
    -Set of Radiological Decontamination Wipes
    -Detection Paper
    -Antitoc Powder
    -Decontamination Glove
    -Bandage for Burns
    -Booklet IF46 - Survive in the Fight
    -Card with Alarm Signals

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    This is a by the book setup from 1972 into the early 90s. Your items must either not really be from the M51 kit or are from the 50s-60s era, cool items nonetheless. I love NBC items and those are pretty neat.

    Here, from my notes:


    Each soldier was issued a little booklet called "Overleven in het Gevecht(Survive in the Fight)", according to one from 1971 and one from 1980, each soldier had the following:
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    Overleven in het Gevecht 1971

    -Vloeipapier
    Blotting Paper to remove liquid agents from skin

    -Ontsmettingspoeder
    Decontamination Powder for skin, comes in a box

    -Antineurotox-Ampullen
    NBC Syringe

    -Radiologisch Huidontsmettingsmiddel
    Radiological Decontamination Wipe for skin

    -Verband
    Bandage for Burns

    -Poeder voor Brandwonden
    Powder for Burns

    -Antishock Poeder(Antitoc)
    Powder for Shock, pour in water then drink

    -Eerste-Hulp-Verbandzakje
    Normal Bandage for Wounds

    -----------------------------
    Overleven in het Gevecht 1980

    -Detectiepapier
    Detection Paper

    -Verband voor Brandwonden
    Bandage for Burns

    -Poeder voor Brandwonden
    Powder for Burns

    -Poeder-Handschoenen
    Glove with Decontamination Powder, to blot and decontaminate skin

    -Radiologisch Huidontsmettingsmiddel
    Radiological Decontamination Wipe for skin

    -De Atropine-Spuitjes
    Atropine Injectors

    -Eerstehulpverbandzakje
    Normal Bandage for Wounds

    As you can see, over the 9 years in between, some stuff changed. The Blotting Paper & Decontaminating Powder were replaced by the Powder Glove and the Anti Neurotox Syringe was replaced by Atropine Injectors. The Anti Shock Powder was discontinued and the Detector Paper was introduced.

    I also have a Manual from 1978 that mentioned the following:

    -Flesje Ontsmettingspoeder(Bottle of Decontamination Powder)

    -Twee Flesjes met 50 Tabletten(Two Bottles with 50 Tablets)

    It also mentions the Burn Powder and Bandage, Powder Glove, Detector Paper, and Decontamination Wipes.

    So we know that the Powder Glove and Detector Paper were introduced sometime after 1971 and before 1978, and the Anti Shock Powder was discontinued in that same time. Haven't been able to find any info on the tablets or the bottle of powder, only mentioned in the 1978 manual, and the Decon Powder from the 1971 booklet came in a box.


    The one packet of your on the right might be the Syringe? Not really sure.
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    Post by Wolverine Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:03 pm

    Nice kit - I have never seen all of the pieces together like that.

    Presumably the manual was also printed in French?
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    Post by fallout Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:09 pm

    Yeah I was very very happy to get it, I also have a full Dutch kit with decon kit and injectors I need to post.

    I would think so but I have only seen the Dutch versions. I'm sure the French ones are out there somewhere.
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    Post by Antarmike Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:55 pm

    Thank you, I have determined (thanks to Belgium_One's link) that what I have is not part of an M-51 gas mask kit, but was a serarate identification kit, that simply used an empty M51 Bag. As said the bag has unique black markings to show it does not carry a mask but rather the detection/identification kit.
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    Post by belgium_one Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:27 am

    Hello Smile

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    Post by belgium_one Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:38 am

    Other ones... Smile Smile

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    Post by fallout Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:26 am

    Those are great, thanks! The 2nd one is 1979, do you have a date on the 1st one? Any others you have?
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    Post by edstorey Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:12 pm

    I noticed that the Detector Paper is Canadian - NATO Country Code 21.
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    Post by Antarmike Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:33 am

    edstorey wrote:I noticed that the Detector Paper is Canadian - NATO Country Code 21.
    I have also seen photos, (which I can no longer find) of UK (99) detector paper with French/Dutch writing rubber stamped pntp the cover ( I believe in red ink)

    I also note that some UK detector paper was made in Canada by Anachemia Canada Inc. alhough it carried 6665-99-225-3102 NSN.
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    Post by belgium_one Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:58 pm

    Hello Smile

    Fallout ,

    no date on the 1st one

    I don' have others Crying or Very sad

    Salutations
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    Post by belgium_one Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:14 pm

    Hello Smile

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    the right one have the ink stamp "ABL" , the two others don't have
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    Post by Antarmike Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:56 am

    belgium_one wrote:Hello Smile

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    the right one have the ink stamp "ABL" , the two others don't have

    Another detection kit pouch on the left.  Nice,  just like buses, you wait ages for one then two come along together....

    I have a couple of bags marked with which size gas mask it contains eg II signifying (medium?) on the case etc....

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    Post by Antarmike Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:38 am

    Has anyone any idea of what the red square indicates?  I see it appears also on belgium_one's dtection kit bag?

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    And talking of markings,  these are inside two of my pouches

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    Post by Wolverine Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:24 am

    I don't know the red square, but the one marked 58 B.B. is air force issue. I have a couple different ones with air force markings.

    Most of the used bags in my collection have the size marked somewhere on the outside of the bag.
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    Post by Antarmike Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:14 am

    Latest Gas mask related item to be acquired.

    Lot of 6 filters still packaged up.
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    Don't really want to unpackage,  there is something nice about original packaging...

    .... so here are some seller's photos of other cartons.
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    I expect one day I will open it, but maybe I should wait 'till Christmas?
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    Post by ABLcollector50s60s Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:22 am

    This is the first time i see the original box. Nice catch!
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    Post by Antarmike Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:28 pm

    ABLcollector50s60s wrote:This is the first time i see the original box. Nice catch!

    They are on Ebay if you want to grab a box or two

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Belgian-Army-Replacement-40MM-Filters-Gas-Mask-Respirator-Filter-New-Old-Stock/164138276068?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=463762240658&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
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    Post by belgium_one Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:07 pm

    Hello Smile

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    Post by Antarmike Fri Jun 12, 2020 6:01 pm

    Just acquired a small (individual) decontamination set, which includes two antidote syringes, Blotting paper, two small boxes of powder (Fullers earth?) and instructions for self injecting in five languages, French, Dutch, German, Italian and English.  Dated Early to mid 60's.

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    Fits nicely in the inside pockets of 51 gas mask pouch.

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