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    Post by JooKo83 Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:14 pm

    Here is my impression of a Swedish mid 1980s infantry ”Furir”. This impression probably has many mistakes so constructive critisism is welcome. My main information source is a handbook on material for the Swedish soldier ”Soldatreglemente material” from 1983.
    The lighting is s*** on the photos, sorry about that...
    First pictures are me with all the field gear:
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    I am wearing the BDU with helmet, webbing, helmet with fieldcap and backpack. On the floor is the ”trosspackning”. List and pictures of content below.
    Rifle is a Umarex GBBR with real parts (handguards, stock and Swedish sling).

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    Post by JooKo83 Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:17 pm

    Without backpack and respiratorbag correctly attached (I think...)
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    Post by JooKo83 Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:20 pm

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    Webbing 304k with waterbottle and bayonet
    Cleaning kit for AK4-rifle (missing a few parts and tools)
    Flash light
    Sight adjuster
    Umarex GBBR G3 rifle with black parts + Swedish sling (this is a bit too short compared to Swedish AK4, hoping to maybe find a genuine Swedish AK4 some day…)
    Mags (Sadly not Swedish)
    Respirator bag with contents:
    respirator with filter
    3x ”personsaneringsmedel”, for cleaning chemichals, do not know the English name for these
    Plastic bag
    Anthropine-injector
    Indicationpaper
    Immskyddsmedel, stops the glass from getting foggy
    Tissue
    Eye protectors
    Sling
    Attachments for respirator bag to the webbing
    Missing: socks, some parts for AK4 cleaning kit, AK4

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    Post by JooKo83 Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:22 pm

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    Jacket M/59
    Trousers M/59 with belt
    Field shirt M/59
    Field cap M/59
    Undershirt
    Underwear
    Shoes M/59
    Wool-cap (”Olles bror”)
    Nametag
    Warm scarf
    Leather gloves
    First aid kit
    Missing: socks, camocream, hearingprotection, insectrepellant
    Forgot to add my cotton green scarf in the picture, will post later.
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    Post by JooKo83 Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:23 pm

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    Backpack 35L (stored in the same vehicle as the soldier was transported) with contents (top to bottom):
    Field shirt M59
    Wollen shirt M59
    Spade KLAS
    Rainracket M59
    Windjacket M59 (used with thick liner that is packed in the ”persedelpåse”)
    Raincap (”sydväst”)
    Field kitchen: mess tins, stove, cup, knife/spoon/fork, fuel for stove, can opener
    Socks (not period correct, hoping to find correct pair soon)
    LK 35 backpack
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    Post by JooKo83 Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:26 pm

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    Trosspackning or ”Persedelpåse”, stored in a different vehicle as soldier:
    Thick socks
    Two towels
    Two pairs of underwear
    Footrags
    Liner for windjacket M59 (windjacket with filler was used for sleeping, no sleeping bag or blanket was issued to regular troops)
    Underwear shirt and longjohns
    Wollen uniform jacket and trousers M58
    5-finger wollen gloves
    Wollen gloves
    Winter cap M59
    Wollen scarf (grey)
    Cotton scarf (green)
    Wrist-warmers, wollen
    Ancle-warmers, wollen
    Bag M69 ”persedelpåse”
    Rubber-shoes (half of the shoes are rubberized)
    Missing: socks, Swedish toiletry from 80s
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    Post by JooKo83 Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:28 pm

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    Other stuff:
    Ra 135 squad radio. Not 100% sure if a furir used this or if the soldier had to be of higher rank.
    M52 belt (used with field uniform when webbing is not worn)
    Cotton scarf green (used with field uniform, should be in the picture with the BDU).
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    Post by JooKo83 Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:34 pm

    Winter camo jacket and trousers, gloves and backpack-cover
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    Post by HEB Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:17 pm

    really amazing collection. Thanks for sharing!

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    Post by Wolverine Mon Feb 08, 2021 5:42 pm

    How I see what those little straps are for: to attach the gasmask carrier.
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    Post by JooKo83 Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:13 pm

    Wolverine wrote:How I see what those little straps are for: to attach the gasmask carrier.
    Yup, these pictures are from the 1983 manual:
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    Post by d99wipe Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:00 am

    Beautiful to see more people doing cold war swedish. Sweden was very militarized during this era so this kit really brings out the era as a whole!

    Not a lot of mistakes I think! Some general notes:

    Balaclava would very rarely be worn, but I guess it is there for anonymity. Smile

    The belt should be set so the innermost holes are used with summer equipment, and the buckle centered on the row of buttons on the tunic.

    The look is a little later than stated. The practice of tying up the helmet cover seems to have come about in 1987 and mainly among the rangers. Inner tubes would be used in the beginning, taping would be more common towards the end. Also, many infantry soldiers would have the S-webbing adapted to belt configuration, with the belt not fully replacing them throughout the 80's. While not incorrect for 1983, it would be more typical of the late 80's.

    The respirator bag is mostly worn in its sling, as you did in your first picture. You are supposed to carry that and your gun at all times while the belt can be dropped. If you do wear the bag as a part of the belt, aim the hooks towards the bag so that it does not twist the straps.

    Sweden never used the aluminium magazines, with the horizontal ribs. Not sure if plain ones are available for the VFC though. Also a proper swedish stock would be nice when you find one! The one you have were used during the trials and the trial weapons were often kept in the regimental storage, so not entirely wrong, but rare for sure. The AK 4 also didn't have a V-notch on its drum, but rather a ring of sorts. I can't tell if you have changed it, but that is a worthwhile addition to look for!

    The neckerchief should be folded into a 10cm band and placed across the neck in order to protect the tunic and not get crumpled. It looks like yours is crumpling a little bit.

    Great work:

    Proper black boots! Rare these days!

    You seem to even have stuffed your pockets correctly!

    m/58 tunic (woolen one) are a rare find these days! The m/39 was around in such great numbers for changing into m/39-58, they never made that many proper m/58s

    Ra135 is also a nice and thoughtful addition. It changes a little over time and troop type who would carry it, but I think your rank would be suitable for being a specialist.

    The proper Ak4 sling IS short. It should be stamped M1353-006010 according to Ak4 Beskrivning del 2 (1980).

    The backpack is of the early type, so correct for 1982.
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    Post by d99wipe Wed Feb 24, 2021 9:24 am

    Actually, the respirator bag sling was worn around the waist, rather that over the shoulder once the belt kits came in, come to think of it.
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    Post by Wolverine Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:32 pm

    d99wipe: Could you clarify what you mean here:

    "Also, many infantry soldiers would have the S-webbing adapted to belt configuration, with the belt not fully replacing them throughout the 80's. While not incorrect for 1983, it would be more typical of the late 80's."

    What is the S-webbing?
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    Post by d99wipe Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:42 am

    The original webbing for the m/59 kit was the "stridssele S", literally assault harness S. It is probably called S for the same reason the S-tank is. It was the swedish homegrown option among a number of foreign alternatives. They were looking into a lot of british webbing bought cheaply after wwii.

    It was replaced in 1982 by the "stridsbälte 304K" (assault belt 304k), as used in this impression. Belt kits were trialled from 1976, and in 1979 or so, they started modifying the old assault harnesses to work like belts

    I think the reason that they wanted to go to belts was to facilitate the use of backpacks, the lk35 and lk70 backpacks were developed in parallel.

    Throughout the 80's you would find a mixture of S, altered S and 304K.

    Here is the unmodified S-webbing:
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    Here is the modified S-webbing:
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    Post by JooKo83 Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:20 pm

    d99wipe wrote:Beautiful to see more people doing cold war swedish. Sweden was very militarized during this era so this kit really brings out the era as a whole!

    Not a lot of mistakes I think! Some general notes:

    Balaclava would very rarely be worn, but I guess it is there for anonymity. Smile

    The belt should be set so the innermost holes are used with summer equipment, and the buckle centered on the row of buttons on the tunic.

    The look is a little later than stated. The practice of tying up the helmet cover seems to have come about in 1987 and mainly among the rangers. Inner tubes would be used in the beginning, taping would be more common towards the end. Also, many infantry soldiers would have the S-webbing adapted to belt configuration, with the belt not fully replacing them throughout the 80's. While not incorrect for 1983, it would be more typical of the late 80's.

    The respirator bag is mostly worn in its sling, as you did in your first picture. You are supposed to carry that and your gun at all times while the belt can be dropped. If you do wear the bag as a part of the belt, aim the hooks towards the bag so that it does not twist the straps.

    Sweden never used the aluminium magazines, with the horizontal ribs. Not sure if plain ones are available for the VFC though. Also a proper swedish stock would be nice when you find one! The one you have were used during the trials and the trial weapons were often kept in the regimental storage, so not entirely wrong, but rare for sure. The AK 4 also didn't have a V-notch on its drum, but rather a ring of sorts. I can't tell if you have changed it, but that is a worthwhile addition to look for!

    The neckerchief should be folded into a 10cm band and placed across the neck in order to protect the tunic and not get crumpled. It looks like yours is crumpling a little bit.

    Great work:

    Proper black boots! Rare these days!

    You seem to even have stuffed your pockets correctly!

    m/58 tunic (woolen one) are a rare find these days! The m/39 was around in such great numbers for changing into m/39-58, they never made that many proper m/58s

    Ra135 is also a nice and thoughtful addition. It changes a little over time and troop type who would carry it, but I think your rank would be suitable for being a specialist.

    The proper Ak4 sling IS short. It should be stamped M1353-006010 according to Ak4 Beskrivning del 2 (1980).

    The backpack is of the early type, so correct for 1982.
    Thank you for your many insights! I will take them to heart and maybe do another photoshoot at some point in time! Maybe  the time frame would be better for late 80s? How long did the infantry use the AK4? Most pictures I have encountered from 1987 onwards have the AK5.
    Swedish parts for the weapon are very difficult to find, even harder to find someone who is willing to ship abroad. My hopes are to get lucky on tradera.com.
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    Post by d99wipe Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:04 pm

    I see you are from Finland, right? All the more impressive! Sadly, following your lead and build an early finnish kit is nigh on impossible for many reasons, otherwise I would've a long time ago!

    The first AK5 seem to have hit the organization in 1986 in some units, becoming more and more widely distributed over the years. Only after 1990 they disappear completely. Often a unit would receive the ak4 to start their education with, receiving the ak5 only later. The focus was to distribute them to units which needed a handier weapon such as the different ranger units. The rangers did keep the ak4 for a very long time as a sharpshooter weapon though, with scope. The guy with the altered S-belt above is such a sharp shooter from the K3 ranger regiment 1987. The rangers are surprisingly easy to spot in a picture just due to their general attitude!

    I think your kit could be a good example of an infantryman in 1987. From 1981 the regiments gradually introduced regimental shoulder patches so consider putting one of those on. It should mostly be an old primitive one with a lot of loose threads on the back. Smile

    Your rank during that era would make you a concript so the other shoulder, weapon specialization tabs could be put such as the PEK patch and/or the PV robot qualification patch. Another possible addition is the little button you'd receive for soldatprov (soldier qualification), which are specific to a regiment and a year.

    Yes, the swedish parts are really tricky. I know some good swedish dealers love visiting the finnish military fairs, try to make some contacts there! It will probably take them a while to track down what you need, but they will be able to do it! The things you need most are the rear sight and the stock I guess. The rear sight is reasonably easy to find. the stocks are harder, but with the current upgrade program they are sure to hit the market in somewhat greater quantities.
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    Post by Wolverine Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:52 pm



    Thank you d99wipe - I was guessing that the S webbing must be the earlier set. I have one of those sets, as well as the 304, but I didn't realize the components from each one were mixed together at some point.
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    Post by JooKo83 Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:49 am

    d99wipe wrote:I see you are from Finland, right? All the more impressive! Sadly, following your lead and build an early finnish kit is nigh on impossible for many reasons, otherwise I would've a long time ago!

    The first AK5 seem to have hit the organization in 1986 in some units, becoming more and more widely distributed over the years. Only after 1990 they disappear completely. Often a unit would receive the ak4 to start their education with, receiving the ak5 only later. The focus was to distribute them to units which needed a handier weapon such as the different ranger units. The rangers did keep the ak4 for a very long time as a sharpshooter weapon though, with scope. The guy with the altered S-belt above is such a sharp shooter from the K3 ranger regiment 1987. The rangers are surprisingly easy to spot in a picture just due to their general attitude!

    I think your kit could be a good example of an infantryman in 1987. From 1981 the regiments gradually introduced regimental shoulder patches so consider putting one of those on. It should mostly be an old primitive one with a lot of loose threads on the back. Smile

    Your rank during that era would make you a concript so the other shoulder, weapon specialization tabs could be put such as the PEK patch and/or the PV robot qualification patch. Another possible addition is the little button you'd receive for soldatprov (soldier qualification), which are specific to a regiment and a year.

    Yes, the swedish parts are really tricky. I know some good swedish dealers love visiting the finnish military fairs, try to make some contacts there! It will probably take them a while to track down what you need, but they will be able to do it! The things you need most are the rear sight and the stock I guess. The rear sight is reasonably easy to find. the stocks are harder, but with the current upgrade program they are sure to hit the market in somewhat greater quantities.
    Thank you for the tips! 1987 is now the year for this impression!
    I have not decided on a regiment yet so I will have to do some studying. I might have some regimental sidecap-badges for the ”båtmössa M/60” that decide what regiment to portray.
    I am waiting for military fairs to start again as soon as corona settles down. Every winter is TAMARMS in my home town so I will visit it hopefully next year for weapon parts.
    I actually own a stridssele, after some alterations I turned it to this:Swedish infantry soldier mid 1980s 00f8f610
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    All the pictures I found on this belt in use the pockets look all banged up, my pockets might be too clean...
    Regarding Finnish gear: it was easier for me as a Finn to find the Swedish gear from Finland than the Finnish gear in Finland. After constant searching and a whole lot of money Have I put together this impression: https://iacmc.forumotion.com/t12965-finnish-late-1980s-loadout
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    Post by d99wipe Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:35 am

    Yes, the stridssele S is the earlier attempt. It came about in 1958 after a series of trials from 1950 onwards. One of the trial versions, the fm/55 was in rather widespread use during the 50's.

    The 304K stridsbälte was trialled from 1976, the fm/76 belt was also used in a few regiments up until circa 1981. The most common version had 2 ak4 mag pouches, and 2 grenade pouches, but there was a k-pist (swedish K) pouch similar to the 304K. This configuration seems to have won out.

    Modifying the S probably started as a part of the trials in around 1979. At that point they probably had realized that the k-pist configuration was the one they wanted to go with and saw the potential for the S to be altered into something very similar to what they wanted.

    The 304K started being issued in around 1982.

    The S was available in (at least) 3 verisons:

    The original glossy rubberized one. They were withdrawn early as the rubber coating wore off, expecially in cold weather. There may have been a version with an almost black rubber coating similar to the one used an fm/55, with the same problem. They are hard to ID in pictures but were likely withdrawn already in the 60's.

    It was followed by the matte rubberized one already in the early 60's.

    The final version is the canvas version, the one that you have. It also showed up in the mid 60's. The rubberized and canvas versions were made in parallel for a while, but the canvas one wins out and becomes more common towards the end. The canvas version is simplified in some ways and were probably mostly a cheaper alternative. There is a fadeover where the first versions have the hooks for the side straps on the belt, to yours that has the hooks on the sidestraps, and d-rings on the belt. D-rings on the belt seems like a late 60's update. For this reason, if you are getting the yoke and the belt separately, make sure that you have matching side strap attachments!

    The canvas verion is the one you see altered mostly, and they quickly end up in a sorry state. However, they are rarely more worn than when in the hands of rangers as they are in the picture. Yours seem nicely average, I'd say. Your alteration is correctly done, but you don't keep the lower set of C-clips. The C-clips on one side look strange so, move 2 of them there!

    Your belt leather tab is a little interresting. It should be green, but looks entirely brown! Is the metal loop brass? If so, it is actually a tab from the fm/55 trial verion!

    The m/60 stuff belongs on the m/60 of course, with the exception of the beret that saw use with the field uniform despite being disallowed. Only the paratroopers were actually allowed to use their beret with the field uniform but more and more troops did it. Let me know once you decide on which regiment and i can try to figure out if there is anything specific about them!

    Oh, so Nyland! I guess you are sueco-finnish? I love reading finlandian swedish as it contains minute differences from swedish swedish. Stormgevär med tre kassetter which becomes automatkarbin med tre magasin for instance!
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    Post by JooKo83 Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:12 pm

    d99wipe wrote:Yes, the stridssele S is the earlier attempt. It came about in 1958 after a series of trials from 1950 onwards. One of the trial versions, the fm/55 was in rather widespread use during the 50's.

    The 304K stridsbälte was trialled from 1976, the fm/76 belt was also used in a few regiments up until circa 1981. The most common version had 2 ak4 mag pouches, and 2 grenade pouches, but there was a k-pist (swedish K) pouch similar to the 304K. This configuration seems to have won out.

    Modifying the S probably started as a part of the trials in around 1979. At that point they probably had realized that the k-pist configuration was the one they wanted to go with and saw the potential for the S to be altered into something very similar to what they wanted.

    The 304K started being issued in around 1982.

    The S was available in (at least) 3 verisons:

    The original glossy rubberized one. They were withdrawn early as the rubber coating wore off, expecially in cold weather. There may have been a version with an almost black rubber coating similar to the one used an fm/55, with the same problem. They are hard to ID in pictures but were likely withdrawn already in the 60's.

    It was followed by the matte rubberized one already in the early 60's.

    The final version is the canvas version, the one that you have. It also showed up in the mid 60's. The rubberized and canvas versions were made in parallel for a while, but the canvas one wins out and becomes more common towards the end. The canvas version is simplified in some ways and were probably mostly a cheaper alternative. There is a fadeover where the first versions have the hooks for the side straps on the belt, to yours that has the hooks on the sidestraps, and d-rings on the belt. D-rings on the belt seems like a late 60's update. For this reason, if you are getting the yoke and the belt separately, make sure that you have matching side strap attachments!

    The canvas verion is the one you see altered mostly, and they quickly end up in a sorry state. However, they are rarely more worn than when in the hands of rangers as they are in the picture. Yours seem nicely average, I'd say. Your alteration is correctly done, but you don't keep the lower set of C-clips. The C-clips on one side look strange so, move 2 of them there!

    Your belt leather tab is a little interresting. It should be green, but looks entirely brown! Is the metal loop brass? If so, it is actually a tab from the fm/55 trial verion!

    The m/60 stuff belongs on the m/60 of course, with the exception of the beret that saw use with the field uniform despite being disallowed. Only the paratroopers were actually allowed to use their beret with the field uniform but more and more troops did it. Let me know once you decide on which regiment and i can try to figure out if there is anything specific about them!

    Oh, so Nyland! I guess you are sueco-finnish? I love reading finlandian swedish as it contains minute differences from swedish swedish. Stormgevär med tre kassetter which becomes automatkarbin med tre magasin for instance!

    Thanks for the tip on the C-clips, will do!

    The leather on my belt is from another belt, you have a good eye. The original leather piece for this one was broken so I took the leather piece from another one, apparently from a trial version. I may have the original belt somewhere tucked away.

    I am really impressed by your knowledge of the Swedish webbingsystems, thank you for your insights! I feel like I hit the jackpot!
    Javisst, finlandssvensk! The small differences in Swedish in Finland and Sweden are very interesting, like the example you gave. During my military service in Nylands brigad (in early 2000s) the language was Swedish but the commands were in Finnish, so that we were trained in a language we understand but can operate with Finnish-speaking soldiers.

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