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    Danish M45 Webbing?

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    Post by CRjackson37 Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:16 pm

    Hello everyone, I've been collecting US and UK/commonwealth webbing for twenty years or near about. I've purchase many lots of 37 pattern webbing and I occasionally get pieces of post-war Danish, Dutch, Italian and Belgian webbing that I have been saving in a box. Now I've started to learn about it.

    I've been reading over the posts that cover Danish webbing M45/50 and M45/59 and I found them very informative. I have a few questions, is there an M45 webbing? What was the wartime UK/commonwealth 37 pattern called, is that M45.

    I also found these photos of Home Guard soldiers with what looks like cartridge carriers. In one of the photos, three soldiers seem to have the M45/50 ammunition pouches. One of those soldiers has a Madsen LMG so I'm thinking the other two soldiers are his assistant gunners. Was unmodified UK/commonwealth 37 pattern used by the home guard? I'm unsure if some of the webbing is Danish or UK/commonwealth. I also have a great interest in the US M1917 Rifles in Danish Home Guard service as 7.62 Gevaer M/53.

    I want thank everyone for taking time to read this.

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    Post by TimB Fri Oct 08, 2021 8:48 pm

    When was the last photo taken? The car looks fairly modern. I did not know the Danes used the M1917. I always see this rifle used by China in WW2 and the UK home guard.

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    Post by CRjackson37 Fri Oct 08, 2021 10:13 pm

    It was taken sometime in the 1950's or maybe early 60's, I think. In 1953 the Danish Home Guard adopted the U.S. M1917 rifle as the 7.62 Gevaer M/53 to replace the mix of rifles they were then using; which were mostly 6.5mm M1896 Rifles on loan from Sweden. They got the M1917's from Norway, Canada and the UK and traded off their stocks of British rifles, the M1896 rifles went back to Sweden. Beginning in the late 1950's, most but not all of the M/53 rifles had their front sight blades replaced with a larger post front sight; some rifles remained in service unmodified throughout their service. The M/53's were replaced by H&K G3's in 1975 but they didn't totally leave service until the early 80's at least.

    The Danish government originally wanted the arm the Home Guard with U.S. M1903A3 Rifles, however the Home Guard wasn't under NATO command and didn't receive equipment under that system, nor did the U.S. Government provide the rifles as aid under MAP. They offered to sell the rifles to Denmark but the cost was too high and the Danes settled on the M1917 rifles instead. I guess neither country felt that the juice was worth the squeeze.

    The Danish Army postwar adopted the No 4 Enfield rifles as the 7.7 Gevaer M/45E these were supplemented with numbers of No 1 and No 3 rifles and some U.S. M1 rifles. The British rifles were replaced when the Army adopted U.S. M1 Rifles as 7.62 Gevaer M/50, I believe that all M/50's procured after 1955 came from Italy. I'd be curious to know when the M/45E's were fully phased out.

    Both the Army and the Home Guard used Madsen LMG's in 30.06 and later 7.62x51mm MG3's, with H&K G3's from 1975. I know Demark also had some German weapons left over after the war but I have no idea what became of them or the Danish Krags.

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    Post by M55q Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:16 am

    To keep it simple.

    Yes there are not only one, but two M/45 "webbing" set: M/45E(English) or M/45S (Swedish).

    After WWII Denmark bought a lot of surplus British equipment as part of a larger acquisition plan.
    Denmark had promised to help the UK after the war had ended, and were to supply a contingent of Danish soldiers to the British occupational forces in Germany. This would free up British veterans that could return home earlier than expected. As part of this deal, and because the Danish soldiers were to be work alongside the British forces, they were equipped with the British Patt. '37 webbing. In Denmark named the M/45E.

    However, a small, but well equipped, exile army had been training in Sweden between 1943-1945 (DANFORCE). Upon returning to Denmark in May 1945 they brought with them a lot of Swedish equipment. The LBE of the former DANFORCE was used in the late 40's early 50s as the M/45S.

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    Post by CRjackson37 Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:24 pm

    Thank you for your insight, I wasn't aware of the Swedish equipment. Was the M45E mostly British made or were Canadian items seen too?
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    Post by Antarmike Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:02 am

    TimB wrote:When was the last photo taken?  The car looks fairly modern.  I did not know the Danes used the M1917.  I always see this rifle used by China in WW2 and the UK home guard.

    Triumph Herald was in production from1959, through to 1971.

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    Post by Wolverine Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:20 pm

    CRjackson37 wrote:Thank you for your insight, I wasn't aware of the Swedish equipment. Was the M45E mostly British made or were Canadian items seen too?

    I have come across ex-British webbing components with Danish markings, but not any Canadian pieces yet. Still, it seems entirely possible that some Canadian-made items were part of the mix in the early days.

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    Post by CRjackson37 Thu Jan 20, 2022 6:16 pm

    Antarmike wrote:
    TimB wrote:When was the last photo taken?  The car looks fairly modern.  I did not know the Danes used the M1917.  I always see this rifle used by China in WW2 and the UK home guard.

    Triumph Herald was in production from1959, through to 1971.

    Thats why I love these forums, I had no idea what sort of car that was, now we can narrow down the date range. Thank you.


    Wolverine, thanks for posting, I'm really getting into Danish equipment and I'm still learning much, I have a British made / Danish modified respirator bag remarked CF. This is a nice field to collect and its pretty affordable. I'm getting together a Home Guard set up for display since I have the M1917 rifle and associated items.
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    Post by M55q Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:17 pm

    CRjackson37 wrote:Thank you for your insight, I wasn't aware of the Swedish equipment. Was the M45E mostly British made or were Canadian items seen too?

    As Wolverine already pointed out most of it was British made. With the odd Canadian item thrown in. E.g. I have a couple of Canadian made cartridge carriers with Danish stamps.  

    The M/45E were used to equip the Home Guard when the M45-50 was introduced.

    Home Guard 1950s 1960s:
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    Post by M55q Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:31 am

    And I really must recommend the digital collections of the National Museum of Denmark:
    https://samlinger.natmus.dk/objectbrowse?collection=THM&media=image,rotation&keyword=Danmark,webbing

    They don't get everything right with the nomenclature. But it is great resource non the less.
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    Post by Wolverine Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:41 pm

    CRjackson37 wrote:
    Antarmike wrote:
    TimB wrote:When was the last photo taken?  The car looks fairly modern.  I did not know the Danes used the M1917.  I always see this rifle used by China in WW2 and the UK home guard.

    Triumph Herald was in production from1959, through to 1971.

    Thats why I love these forums, I had no idea what sort of car that was, now we can narrow down the date range. Thank you.


    Wolverine, thanks for posting, I'm really getting into Danish equipment and I'm still learning much, I have a British made / Danish modified respirator bag remarked CF. This is a nice field to collect and its pretty affordable. I'm getting together a Home Guard set up for display since I have the M1917 rifle and associated items.

    If you are looking for any spare pieces let me know, as we are on the same side of the Atlantic, and I have quite a few duplicates.
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    Post by CRjackson37 Yesterday at 12:26 am

    Two of my later sets, incomplete but coming along. I noticed in some of the 1980's era photos that soldiers were wearing very minimal sets and not carrying bayonets. These set ups were based on photos of soldiers with M59 and rubberized sets in 1980's training exercises. Was the older M45/50 still in use much by the 1980's? What is the designation for the rubberized gear?

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