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    Some Belgian Stuff

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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Wed Jan 04, 2023 6:27 am

    You know the drill, strap in, time for some Belgian stuff!
    As usual, this is largely Cold War era stuff with a touch of older and later.
    Like with the Dutch stuff, this stuff is out of my familiar zone, so I do have some questions on a few things
    and if you note anything wrong please call me out on it!



    Starting with a mystery bayonet that I believe is Belgian in origin, but not in usage.
    It seems to be an FN M24 Mauser bayonet, but made for export, as it has absolutely zero markings anywhere on the blade, handle,
    hilt, crossguard, scabbard, or frog. Searching the M24 Mauser shows it was exported to A LOT of countries, so where this one ended
    up I have no idea.

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    An FN-D/BAR magazine belt harness, 5-pocket variant. No markings that I can find.
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    An Mle 51 helmet, with an '85 dated Air Force liner. I also later found a net for it.
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    Some M56 "Congo" brushstroke camouflage trousers, made in 1956 by RAKA.
    Need to take some new, better pics of these.

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    I later found a '56 BAWI smock to go with it, and then later a hood to complete it. Once again, forgot to take detailed
    individual shots of jacket, trousers, and hood when I got them.

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    The hood displayed on the Mle 51. I didn't have the net or any spare inner tubes at the time to make a more period correct looking setup.
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    A set of '58 dated M56 Jigsaw smock and trousers, the smock was Begetex and the trousers AMS.
    I also later found a hood for the smock.

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    Jigsaw hood on the Mle 51.
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    A '73 dated Seyntex made Jigsaw smock, which IIRC is the 2nd version smock? It's made of denim, has snap closures except for
    the cuffs and epaulets, and is a half-zip pullover type.

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    Now, here's where things start to get hazy for me; the standard OD uniforms.
    First up is what I believe to be an M64 jacket, dated 1990, styled similarly to the Dutch and Danish M58's. It features a rollaway hood
    but I don't recall if these jackets had a liner that went with them or not.

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    What I *believe* to be M64 trousers, dated 1987. These are pretty substantial with two leg cargo pockets, a field
    dressing pocket, and velcro sealed slits to open the ankle cuffs for boots.

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    What I'm told is called an "M88" jacket, this one is not dated. It differs from the "M64" by being made of a much smoother,
    shinier material, has nearly straight but still tilted upper chest pockets, is quite long reaching about mid-thigh area, has the cuff adjustments
    much higher around the wrist, and has no elbow reinforcements. All around it seems more like a barracks jacket than a field jacket.

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    A pair of 1977 dated trousers, which initially I was told were M88 trousers but the date and designation do not coincide.
    These are far less substantial with only a single leg cargo pocket, no field dressing pocket, cinches for the ankle cuffs, and very shallow, nearly
    useless hand pockets. These strike me as more of a lightweight, summer version of the M64 trousers but overall I'm stumped on all these.

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    And lastly a plain OD shirt, dated 1996. Seems quite late but I suppose some Belgian units were still wearing all OD by then.
    I was told this was a field shirt but I don't know for sure, I also don't know what time period these were issued from.

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    A 1958 dated ANP-M51 gas mask with a 1976 dated FE55 filter and khaki canvas bag. The mask came in a plastic bag
    marked 98 BN LOG with 1984 written on a sticker but that was all that was left of this kit.
    ABLcollector50s60s' thread has some great pics and info on the contents of what would be in this kit, as well as the page for this
    mask on the gasmaskandrespirator.fandom.com wiki.

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    A French Signal Corps marked TL-122D angle head flashlight I got from Hessian Antique who said they got a bunch of these
    from Belgian army stocks.

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    Big thanks once again to Andrew/Wolverine for helping with some of the following M1971 webbing items.
    First is one of two M71 buttpacks I found, this one has the earlier turn-lock closures, while the second one which I neglected
    to take an individual shot of has the later black snaps.

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    M71 canteen/cup set, dated 1976.
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    M71 e-tool carrier. I forgot to ask, but how does the M-1910 hanger on this thing work? I've tried feeding it through the grommets
    the other way around but it didn't fit. It's probably pretty simple but it has had me stumped so far.  Some Belgian Stuff 1f605

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    M71 H-suspenders. I also have the belt, but forgot to take a pic.
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    M71 Rucksack. I have a French Mle 55 canvas ruck but I also plan on getting one of the Belgian canvas copies someday.
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    x4 M71 Vigneron magazine pouches. These were all missing the ALICE clips so I bought some US surplus ones for them.
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    And all the M1971 stuff together, with snap closure buttpack, the belt, flashlight, and M51 mask, although I forgot to take some
    pics with the rucksack.
    Other than the e-tool itself and an FAL bayonet, am I missing anything a typical Belgian rifleman from the 70's-80's would carry with this?

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    A 2002 dated Jigsaw cover for the Belgian M95 (Schuberth B826) helmet.
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    And last for now, a set of (M1990?) Jigsaw. Old pic once again, with no detailed shots. The trousers are dated 1999 IIRC.
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    Enjoy!
    -Nate

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    Post by matchstick Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:15 pm

    Nice pieces, the period photo's showing it, and variations there-of, in use are awesome.

    I've a few photo albums of assorted Belgian troops mostly on assorted parades that I salvaged from a skip in Grobbendonk 1 from the 50's and the rest I'd say probably mid 80's to mid 90's. My collection of Belgian kit is mostly variants of the para smocks.

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    Is the knife this chaps holding to his muckers throat an issued item as I have a similar, if not identical looking one in my collection of pointy objects at home that I was given when I was based in Germany.

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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:11 am

    Thanks matchstick, I'd love to see your smock collection sometime!
    As for that knife, I have no idea. I also have a small collection of mostly bayonets, but my knowledge of Benelux kit in general is quite lacking, as far as I was aware only the FAL bayonet was issued but I really have no clue, hopefully someone else who specializes in that area might know, as I would also like to know what model that is.

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    Post by matchstick Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:00 am

    I'll dig them out next time I'm home and get some pictures taken.

    The guy who gave me the knife said he got it off a German on Exercise, I only wound up with as I was found out as being a collector of things (caught rummaging through the garrison skips) and he was getting out and didn't think he'd get away with flying back to the UK with it.

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    Post by Antarmike Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:24 am

    TennoHeikaNate wrote:Thanks matchstick, I'd love to see your smock collection sometime!
    As for that knife, I have no idea. I also have a small collection of mostly bayonets, but my knowledge of Benelux kit in general is quite lacking, as far as I was aware only the FAL bayonet was issued but I really have no clue, hopefully someone else who specializes in that area might know, as I would also like to know what model that is.


    I have heard that some Belgians, post war, carried Fairburn Sykes fighting knives.

    One of your photos could possibly show a trooper (centre of photo with holstered GP-35 HiPower) wearing an F-S knife.   The photo is not that clear.

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    Post by CollectinSteve Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:49 pm

    Antarmike wrote:I have heard that some Belgians, post war, carried Fairburn Sykes fighting knives.

    From what I remember it was a private purchase item used for formal occasions. I had a brand new one years ago that I bought from a well connected source.

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    Post by matchstick Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:14 pm

    Just got a new laptop as the old one has finally piled in however it won't bring up the thingy at the bottom of the reply box or in create new topic/thread bit to allow me to insert pictures as I finally got round to digging out and photographing my assorted Belgian para smocks.

    I shall investigate figuring out this dilemma tomorrow when I'm slightly less tired and better able to wrap my head around this technology stuff.
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    Post by M55q Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:38 pm

    Nice bits and pieces! Love the photos were jiggsaw, moon-and-balls, brushstroke and OD-green trousers and smocks are all mismatched.

    I've collected Belgian for a while. Should really dig it all out one day.
    For now my own smock (brush-stroke) and trousers (moon-and-balls):
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