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    French 50s shelter half?

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    Post by 5224 Sun Mar 13, 2011 2:25 pm

    Got this as an "extra" item in a trade.
    The seller said it were an French shelter half from the 1950s, I have tried to find some more information but without result. It does look like the French lizard camo, but is it not to bright with the khaki?
    http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00104.php

    There's a faded stamp that seem to be in French, and also the buttons have text in French. Is this maybe from one of the former colony's in Africa? Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions, this might be obvious things but I'm really not at home in French camo.

    The shelter half:
    French 50s shelter half? Samplej


    A sample of the camo:
    French 50s shelter half? Camoprov


    The stamp and the buttons:
    French 50s shelter half? Mrkningtltdel


    Thanks in advance!
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    Post by panzerwerk Sun Mar 13, 2011 3:44 pm

    Yup pretty standard French shelter quarter , looks nice !! I have a couple of them , different dates ,but all 50's vintage .
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    Post by 5224 Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:01 pm

    Great! Do you know how come they put so much khaki in it? Specifically developed and used in the colony's or just a random thing?
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    Post by panzerwerk Sun Mar 13, 2011 8:34 pm

    No idea , but mine are the same .
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    Post by zvez Sun Mar 13, 2011 9:35 pm

    In the 80s they were selling these like mad for next to nothing, $5 or $10. I ended up using mine as a shop cover for painting Wink

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    Post by drmatz Mon Mar 14, 2011 12:11 pm

    i think they were originally issue to french algerian troops, that's way so much "khaki" on it.
    mine has same colors and also from the 50's

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    Post by CollectinSteve Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:16 pm

    There are two types, several variants. The first has sewn on buttons and is, I think, a year older than the type with pressed buttons. The camouflage patterns loosely fall into "sparse" and "dense" varieties. The shapes are not all identical either.

    The one pictured here is sewn button, dense pattern.

    I just checked some pics I have handy (my actual shelter quarters are buried) and the pressed button type is from 1952, so I think the sewn on button type is from 1951 or perhaps earlier.

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    Post by CollectinSteve Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:35 pm

    Here are two pics of dense and sparse types:

    French 50s shelter half? IMG_4390

    French 50s shelter half? IMG_5574

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    Post by 5224 Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:26 am

    Great information from you all, thanks!
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    Post by vonstuck Tue Mar 15, 2011 1:22 pm

    Hello
    The first tent of Steve is in D pattern, the most common: http://vonstuckcamouflage.free.fr/france.php
    The second, I don't know what is the pattern, rare item!
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    Post by CollectinSteve Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:27 pm

    Thanks Gilles! I am happy to have a rare item, of course Smile I will try and dig mine out to see if there is a stamp.

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    Post by vonstuck Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:41 pm

    French 50s shelter half? 100_6016

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    Post by CollectinSteve Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:34 pm

    Whoa!! Gilles, is that French made? Obviously it is from captured cloth. I am surprised the French would use it due to the hatred of the SS.

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    Post by Philip Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:33 pm

    Pretty interesting item!


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    Post by vonstuck Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:38 pm

    French 50s shelter half? 100_5918

    French 50s shelter half? 100_5919

    French 50s shelter half? 100_5920

    French 50s shelter half? 100_5921

    French 50s shelter half? 100_5922

    The pattern of the first tent is a variant of the German WWII pattern of my Zeltbahn splinter 1

    The pattern of the second tent is identical of the German WWII pattern of my Zeltbahn splinter 4

    See: https://iacmc.forumotion.com/t4508-zeltbahn-splinter

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    Post by vonstuck Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:14 am

    CollectinSteve wrote:Whoa!! Gilles, is that French made? Obviously it is from captured cloth. I am surprised the French would use it due to the hatred of the SS.

    Steve

    I think these tents was build in Germany for French army just at the end of the war
    After French army adopt the lizard pattern
    About that say Steve, I think that 90% of French people had never hear of the name of waffen SS before the end of the war
    And the occupation of the France is not the occupation of Poland or Russia
    During the German occupation, the exactions against the Frensh civil are from French police and militia, under control of the gestapo
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    Post by CollectinSteve Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:12 am

    Hi Gilles,

    Yes, for sure Germany made many things in the 1940s and 1950s as part of war reparations. So this makes sense!

    As for SS, I was thinking of Oradour-sur-Glane. I thought that was very well known within France. But yes, you are correct. Most of the horrors seen in France were not done by soldiers in camouflage clothing.

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    Post by vonstuck Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:46 pm

    French 50s shelter half? Indoch10
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    Post by vonstuck Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:46 pm

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    Not in my collection
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