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Battered "77 Pattern" DPM Para Smock.
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 52
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
Bury_Dave- Senior Lieutenant
- Name : Dave
Age : 60
Location : Cambridge , UK
Registration date : 2012-02-14
Number of posts : 822
No offence meant but with extended cuffs, replacement zipper (both incredibly poorly done too..) and cut and worn to hell, why on earth did you buy it ? 
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 52
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
Because unlike some who collect MINT,UNISSUED,NOS stuff I like also the used and like this sometimes abused stuff as it has some history to it unlike some item of clothing that never left the stores.
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 52
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
And also unlike a lot of collectors I dont have the mega bucks to spend either so buy what I can afford 
ripcord- Colonel
- Location : USA
Registration date : 2012-12-29
Number of posts : 2781
Here is a para smock in decent shape
rip...
rip...
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 52
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Falklands-pattern-airborne-smock-and-lightweight-trousers-/121061832059?nma=true&si=cCP23wOBySNirr67GomKin6bkJg%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Thats another reason why I have a battered old smock and not a nice shiny one.
Thats another reason why I have a battered old smock and not a nice shiny one.
fez- Junior Sergeant
- Name : lee
Age : 51
Location : UK
Registration date : 2011-11-26
Number of posts : 178
I must admit, i like field used kit myself
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 52
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
fez wrote:I must admit, i like field used kit myself
Cheers Lee.
Dont get me wrong,I have a few unissued items and am not knocking people that ONLY buy unissued or mint items but for me used and abused items also have their place in my collection
Plus,battered,falling to pieces or not its still an early smock which counts for me
fez- Junior Sergeant
- Name : lee
Age : 51
Location : UK
Registration date : 2011-11-26
Number of posts : 178
So do i, but its nice to think a bit of kit was actually used in the field and as you said, not just on a shelf.
ripcord- Colonel
- Location : USA
Registration date : 2012-12-29
Number of posts : 2781
An old "battered up" piece has the character a new shiny one can never have.
I was fortunate to acquire some decent pieces decades ago.
enjoy, rip...
I was fortunate to acquire some decent pieces decades ago.
enjoy, rip...
Bury_Dave- Senior Lieutenant
- Name : Dave
Age : 60
Location : Cambridge , UK
Registration date : 2012-02-14
Number of posts : 822
I understand not being particularly bothered whether mint or not but I was curious with this as it is obvious that it is in a condition WAY beyond acceptable use by a serving squaddie and it's not something remotely rare. It's clear it's been trashed and badly mod'd by a non serving soldier.
Rare kit you have to take what you can find / afford, but common kit, well, I was just curious. Not being wealthy myself, I find that I need to be very discerning as past experience has shown that the money I wasted on things I only bought coz it was there and cheap, was money squandered. Better to go for quality than quantity surely ?
To each their own like I said.
Rare kit you have to take what you can find / afford, but common kit, well, I was just curious. Not being wealthy myself, I find that I need to be very discerning as past experience has shown that the money I wasted on things I only bought coz it was there and cheap, was money squandered. Better to go for quality than quantity surely ?
To each their own like I said.
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 52
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
"77 Pattern" Para Smocks are common-news to me : 
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mk209- Sergeant
- Location : Scotland
Registration date : 2012-05-23
Number of posts : 218
Another one here for battered used kit. I still have my very first 68 pattern jacket I ever bought waaaay back in '93 I think? (yes it still fits). It's worn and has so many repairs but it's comfortable and it came from a serving Ghurka (has his name and number in it) so it has a little bit of history and I wouldn't part with it for anything. It still gets worn.
Matt.
Matt.
Easy Gee- Colonel
- Name : Gary
Age : 55
Location : UK
Registration date : 2010-06-12
Number of posts : 3591
Gulf ,my opinion for what it's worth!
I like it ,it clearly has provenance which is worth way more than some item sat on a shelf still in it's poly -bag,and yeah, it's been mucked about with,so what!
I will always prefer used kit over NOS, as it tells a story or two!
Saying that it is useful to have NOS stuff, as the labels are legible etc.
If you had spent an absolute fortune on it ( knowing you, I bet you didn't) then shame on you, but I assume you did'nt,and it was cheap to buy,so good on you.
There are similar Para smocks,down my local surplus store,with these type of non standard features,in fact I bought one awhile ago.
I can't get my head around garment fads,one minute if they are "customised,then they must show some signs of being a bit forces on the special side, next minute these type of garments are to be poo-pooed,cos they are non-standard...my advice whack a couple of SF flashes on it..bingo it's a winner
I like it ,it clearly has provenance which is worth way more than some item sat on a shelf still in it's poly -bag,and yeah, it's been mucked about with,so what!
I will always prefer used kit over NOS, as it tells a story or two!
Saying that it is useful to have NOS stuff, as the labels are legible etc.
If you had spent an absolute fortune on it ( knowing you, I bet you didn't) then shame on you, but I assume you did'nt,and it was cheap to buy,so good on you.
There are similar Para smocks,down my local surplus store,with these type of non standard features,in fact I bought one awhile ago.
I can't get my head around garment fads,one minute if they are "customised,then they must show some signs of being a bit forces on the special side, next minute these type of garments are to be poo-pooed,cos they are non-standard...my advice whack a couple of SF flashes on it..bingo it's a winner
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 52
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
Easy Gee wrote:Gulf ,my opinion for what it's worth!
I like it ,it clearly has provenance which is worth way more than some item sat on a shelf still in it's poly -bag,and yeah, it's been mucked about with,so what!
I will always prefer used kit over NOS, as it tells a story or two!
Saying that it is useful to have NOS stuff, as the labels are legible etc.
If you had spent an absolute fortune on it ( knowing you, I bet you didn't) then shame on you, but I assume you did'nt,and it was cheap to buy,so good on you.
There are similar Para smocks,down my local surplus store,with these type of non standard features,in fact I bought one awhile ago.
I can't get my head around garment fads,one minute if they are "customised,then they must show some signs of being a bit forces on the special side, next minute these type of garments are to be poo-pooed,cos they are non-standard...my advice whack a couple of SF flashes on it..bingo it's a winner
Cheers Gary
Nope,the smock didnt cost a fortune hence why I bought it as no matter how buggered up its still a "77 Pattern" smock.I own a few NOS/UNISSUED bits and maybe if I had the financial means to do so would concentrate on a collection of said items but cannot so have to settle for what I can buy when I can afford it(2nd round of hour cuts at work certainly isnt helping
).Regarding the(poorly done apparently) zip replacement and the extended sleeve/cuffs I have no idea if these were done when the smock was still in service or afterwards-maybe during the late 70s/early 80s clothing in issue was worn to destruction with QMs being not that keen to replace kit etc who knows but I guess if it served say in the Falklands and got damaged it would be a case of make do and mend?????
Either way I like it
and shame I cannot do any more research regarding its use-only think I can find is that 8BTY could possibly be 8 Battery Royal Artillery which is part of or attached to(not sure)29 Commando.
Easy Gee- Colonel
- Name : Gary
Age : 55
Location : UK
Registration date : 2010-06-12
Number of posts : 3591
29 Commando, are based in my home town,of course they are wearing MTP now,which looks completely out of place in a City centre shopping precinct
8 Commando Bty are part of 29,it's a possibility this one was worn by a Gunner!
8 Commando Bty are part of 29,it's a possibility this one was worn by a Gunner!
fez- Junior Sergeant
- Name : lee
Age : 51
Location : UK
Registration date : 2011-11-26
Number of posts : 178
I was at condor for a while,29 were the only ones allowed to wear para smocks there.
Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 52
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
So could well be from 29 Commando then
nkomo- ADMIN
- Name : Arch
Location : Kentucky, USA
Registration date : 2009-02-13
Number of posts : 3324
Gulf91 wrote:fez wrote:I must admit, i like field used kit myself
Cheers Lee.
Dont get me wrong,I have a few unissued items and am not knocking people that ONLY buy unissued or mint items but for me used and abused items also have their place in my collection
Plus,battered,falling to pieces or not its still an early smock which counts for me
That is my collecting philosophy too. Personal taste, I much prefer used/abused items as I think they display better on a mannequin.
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Gulf91- Colonel
- Age : 52
Location : Wales
Registration date : 2011-05-13
Number of posts : 3858
Have a 59 Pattern Denison that is in worse condition than the Para Smock
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