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The pouch seems too deep top to Bottom for it to be for FN FAL magazine? Is it perhaps FNC?
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Antarmike wrote:i am pretty sure Ali poles came with tents with arm holes, but I can't remember which of two types of pegs belongs to which tent. I thinky the pegs foe the the armhole tent where bigger and more sophisticated than the simple , almost civilian pattern, pegs of the no arm hole tent.
Would very much appreciate a picture sometime. Thanks.
They came on assembled webbing sets. The pair with the small clips were just attaching FAL pouches to the Rings on the yoke, the pouches were extra items that just swung freely from the top.Wolverine wrote:These look to be improvised rather than general issue. I have never seen them before, but they are probably for fixing the ammunition pouches securely to the webbing suspenders when the rucksack is not worn.
Gulf91 wrote:Judging by the lack of makers marks etc looks the same colour as the civvy ones that were sold in the 90s(and possibly still being sold).
Had one myself but sold it when I got a US one.
Wolverine wrote:It could well be a commercial model, but it is hard to say with these lights. They have been so widely copied and issued in various NATO armies, it is possible that the Belgian Army may have ordered a batch without any special markings. On the other hand, I have examples with British and Norwegian NSNs. The Canadian Army simply ordered them from US sources. In any case, it is probably fair to display it with your ABL kit.
Antarmike wrote:Gulf91 wrote:Judging by the lack of makers marks etc looks the same colour as the civvy ones that were sold in the 90s(and possibly still being sold).
Had one myself but sold it when I got a US one.Wolverine wrote:It could well be a commercial model, but it is hard to say with these lights. They have been so widely copied and issued in various NATO armies, it is possible that the Belgian Army may have ordered a batch without any special markings. On the other hand, I have examples with British and Norwegian NSNs. The Canadian Army simply ordered them from US sources. In any case, it is probably fair to display it with your ABL kit.
The torch came from Soframa in France, it is third from left in this image. (it was pot luck which one was sent)
You will see that the batch from which it was picked (pot luck which one I got) s one of three different types in the batch. All are clearly used (issued?) and three of them, not mine have an image in the circle that is blank on mine, so presumably we have different manufacturers. There is a variety of colours. All are the same basic pattern though.
Soframa specialise in Belgian Surplus (among various others) . What is the general view of Soframa as a company? Should I doubt their word when they say these are genuine Ex ABL flashlights?
I am still trying to guarantee the authenticity. Am I daft if I ignore the naysayers and trust the description and sourcing details that come from Soframa? Or do I believe they have been scouring the second hand civilian market to find a number of similarly aged flashlamps, and are prepared to risk their reputation as passing them off as something they are not to make a few measly Euro?
I really do not know. Soframa are a wholesale company, They do not sell retail. I bought through a large UK dealer who bought from Soframa, Presumably what the UK dealer bought was a lot from a much larger consignment. The UK day dealer is rechecking with Soframa the provenance of the items , but that will not be until Jan 4th at the very earliest.Wolverine wrote:Could it be French military issue?
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Re the blue filter, if they come with all the civvy ones why has someone removed all the colour filters except blue and added a clear Fresnel type lens?
None of the cheap modern lamps appear to have a clear Fresnel lens. How did that get into a modern copy? If it is a modern civvy lamp, why throw away some of the filters? Why source and add a Fresnel lens that does not appear to have come from a civvy copy? IMHO It makes more sense that it has had a useful military life and over that time filters have got lost or damaged and only two survived through to sale time.
Wolverine wrote:Getting back to the rucksack question, here are three types/patterns whose origins may predate the M1971 vinyl design. What is curious is that they have the snaphooks on the pack straps that were meant to be used with M1971. I can't explain this, if in fact these were being made before the 1970s.
canvas, unissued:
canvas, well used:
nylon, lightly used:
In the ABL museum in Brussels there was a figure in the paracommando exhibition gallery equipped with one of the canvas types, showing the 1960s timeframe as I recall. I have picture of it somewhere.
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