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    Post by Camonut314 Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:08 am

    Col Moschin is what I am attempting, because the easiest to get for me is an Ephod vest. I have a Sept-2 as a stand-in for the Systema Compositi 89, and I have the full uniform set and boots. It is also because they used other weapons than the Beretta AR70, which is impossible to find/afford.
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    Post by abefroman Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:10 am

    Camonut314 wrote:Col Moschin is what I am attempting, because the easiest to get for me is an Ephod vest. I have a Sept-2 as a stand-in for the Systema Compositi 89, and I have the full uniform set and boots. It is also because they used other weapons than the Beretta AR70, which is impossible to find/afford.

    I believe the Col Moschin had special helmets made by Cassoni.
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    Post by Camonut314 Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:13 pm

    I know whatever helmets they used are REALLY rare. *TF89, not Sistema, duh. Made by Techno Fibre. There were a couple of others that looked similar as well, but I do not know their make.
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    Post by abefroman Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:33 pm

    Camonut314 wrote:I know whatever helmets they used are REALLY rare. *TF89, not Sistema, duh. Made by Techno Fibre. There were a couple of others that looked similar as well, but I do not know their make.

    It's called the "Cassoni Tipo Alto"

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    Post by -Jäger- Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:12 pm

    Hi all guys!

    Here's my mozambique Alpini's set (op. Albatros 1993/94).



    Not all know that, in addition to the suspenders, there was also a vest in this set, unfortunately never seen in photos (maybe because it was too bulky). (SEE DOWN)
    As you can see the vest has the same type of pockets of the suspenders part.

    The complete kit contained:

    - suspenders (different from the ALICE ones!! much thinner)
    - 1 mag pounch
    - 1 grenade pounch
    - 1 knife holder
    - 1 holster
    - 1 belt
    - the vest

    The pockets don't have the label because it was only on the vest!

    The kit was produced by Sarchi/Broni from Pavia!

    Here's the photos, hope you enjoy!



    Suspenders with pockets:
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    this is the vest:

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    Post by Camonut314 Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:04 am

    Ha! Was just talking with my friend about this...
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    Post by -Jäger- Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:46 am

    Great pics Camonut!
    Finally discovered on of the use of this vest!

    I bought mine about 2 years ago (unfortunately not much cheaply Laughing ) in a local fairy in batch with the others pieces in my post; the lots was still wrapped...
    It makes me think that in mozambique Alpini's received all the kit but they never used the vest.


    Many thanks for your interesting post!

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    Post by ripcord Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:47 pm

    Good stuff..

    Honestly, that vest looks like a torture device.. affraid

    Scary way to carry Energa grenade ; I can see why it would be discarded by troops..

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    Post by -Jäger- Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:14 pm

    "Based on a true horror story" Laughing

    Thank you ripcord!
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    Post by mylle Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:55 pm

    That's probably the weirdest looking vest I ever saw.....But still interesting.
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    Post by Tocc88 Thu Apr 05, 2018 1:39 pm

    I agree with you Jager, I have the same set and it is composed by the same pieces/pounches.

    Here's mine

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    Post by abefroman Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:02 pm

    It looks like they used it in several exercises in the 90s.

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    Post by -Jäger- Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:05 pm

    Yes it is! Smile
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    Post by gus Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:10 am

    Wolverine wrote:Here is a San Marco belt (still looking for the suspenders and ammunition pouches that go with it), and first aid pouch, obviously patterned after the US GI type. I am not sure what the D-ring is for.

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    the D ring was an attachment point for the lower belt strap of the italian alpini haversack
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    Post by gus Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:36 am

    Wolverine wrote:Here is a San Marco belt (still looking for the suspenders and ammunition pouches that go with it), and first aid pouch, obviously patterned after the US GI type. I am not sure what the D-ring is for.

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    Post by Wolverine Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:13 am

    Yes, I reached a similar conclusion after finding this BSM field pack. It is basically a copy of the USMC M1941 pack, with a detachable lower pack.
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    Post by gus Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:46 am

    Wolverine wrote:Yes, I reached a similar conclusion after finding this BSM field pack. It is basically a copy of the USMC M1941 pack, with a detachable lower pack.
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    yeah..it looks alot like the usmc indeed! what is the BSM?
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    Post by Wolverine Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:34 pm

    Battaglione San Marco - the San Marco Marines.

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    Post by gus Fri Dec 18, 2020 11:50 pm

    Wolverine wrote:Battaglione San Marco - the San Marco Marines.

    Cool..italian postwar staff is not very well documented...almost totaly unknown to me but i can see theyv got some cool patterns
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    Post by Wolverine Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:47 pm

    Yes it is not well documented at all. Often the equipment is not well marked either, so it is difficult to determine the time frames of use
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    Post by Wolverine Tue Dec 22, 2020 12:13 am

    Here is the BSM lower pack, again, based on the old USMC design, although with greater volume:
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    Post by gus Tue Dec 22, 2020 4:54 am

    [quote="Wolverine"]Here is the BSM lower pack, again, based on the old USMC design, although with greater volume:
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    very very interesting...!!! thanks for posting
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    Post by Wolverine Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:04 pm

    Here is yet another type of Italian rucksack - not sure if it is specific to Alpini or not. It is nice that the soldier's name, sub-unit, and specialty are attached.
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    Post by gus Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:08 pm

    [quote="Wolverine"]Here is yet another type of Italian rucksack - not sure if it is specific to Alpini or not. It is nice that the soldier's name, sub-unit, and specialty are attached.
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    this is British Commandos WWII type...!!!
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    Post by Wolverine Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:30 pm

    Yes, basically the same concept! The Belgians made a nicer copy than this one though.

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