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    1st Pattern Jump Smock??

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    Post by filupe Sat Apr 02, 2016 10:42 am

    My first decent post in years.  Hoping someone with more experience in this field can confirm my suspicions.  I recently obtained from the US this smock.  I believe it to be a 1st pattern SADF jump smock dating from the 1960s or 70s.  The wings are a bit of an enigma as it has US Master Para wings on the left breast and the older beret badge for the SADF para forces on the right breast, hence, I believe the smock and beret badge may have been gifted to a senior US paratrooper upon an official or unofficial visit to South Africa or perhaps during an international parachutists meet.  I've also turned the smock inside out - there are no markings or tags whatsoever.

    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%2001_zpsoxqelqo7

    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%2007_zpsttr9r3gy

    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%2002_zps9ffmxsgq

    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%20US%20Parawings_zps3ngcbsrdDetail of US 'Master Blaster' wings show a unusual construction - my guess is that it was constructed in Thailand.

    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%20SADF%20Wings_zpsvwhc4fqm

    Below are some construction details:
    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%2003_zpsoplglqxm

    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%2004_zpsop3ypf2c

    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%2005_zpsbyc49tyj

    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%2006_zpstqwyhs9x

    1st Pattern Jump Smock?? SADF%20Jump%20Smock%2008_zpstf4787cx

    Happy to answer any questions pertaining to smock, however, please note it is NOT FOR SALE.  Thanks.

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    Post by James K Sat Apr 02, 2016 3:24 pm

    Not my specialist area BUT for it to be original the zip would have to be a replacement as I doubt if nylon zip fasteners were sufficiently developed in the 60's 70's.  There were no official visits by US forces to SA in this period but the possibility of a para meet swap is fair. The under sleeve vents are more encouraging as I can't see some faker making that much effort.
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    Post by zvez Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:10 pm

    not sure that's SADF smock. and of course the beret badge is an add on. and from a later period than 60-70s - more consistent with an 80s SA beret patch.
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    Post by Camonut314 Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:09 pm

    Hi! What you have is indeed an SADF smock, although these were almost exclusively used for training in the 60's-70's as far as I can ascertain. Badges I am not so sure on, but the one on the right I believe is South West African.

    Here is my smock, complete with label. It did have a plastic zipper originally, but it was broken for obvious reasons! So I replaced it with a us-made one. Hope label is legible, but it does say "Made in South Africa". And here is a ref pic too, enjoy Very Happy

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    Post by Camonut314 Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:12 pm

    *Sorry, I meant badge on the left.
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    Post by loski Tue Apr 05, 2016 7:10 am

    The Badge on the left is a SADF 1 Para beret badge the SANDF version does not have the SAI scroll beneath the bokkop.
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    Post by filupe Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:05 pm

    Thanks to all who replied, particularly Camonut314. Our smocks have a few minor detail differences but are definitely related! The tag is interesting .. I wonder if there is any connection to the Heritage labels sometimes seen in Rhodesian shirt tags. The name 'Henochsberg' is familiar also as a manufacturer of later Nutria clothing. A friend showed me a picture of his Rhodesian jump smock which is also a similar khaki colour but quite definite airborne features i.e. knitted cuffs and beaver tail.
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    Post by Skim Sun Nov 21, 2021 3:23 pm

    Hello Filupe, I am researching South African smocks for the past few weeks, I find your pics very interesting as your smock does not have bottom adjusters. There were khaki smocks in the 60's with wool reinforcing on the collor with no elbow patches and bottom press stud adjustments. Then there was the first first pattern in 1962 or so, the Holy grail in my opinion it was a khaki smock with brown wool reinforcing on the collar and then it had a donkey tail or beever tail and the 6 press studs in-front for the beever tail. From what I have seen the smock that you have was the khaki smock used by the bats in the early 70's.

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