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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:19 pm

    Ever growing, I guess I'll share what stuff I have so far from this lovely little corner of the globe.


    First off, a couple TTsKO hats. An older M43 with real earflaps and a boonie, both from probably the early 2000's.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe I actually got both from panzerwerk awhile back, so thank you!
    Tags are unfortunately worn on both.
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    Easily one of the most comfortable boonie's I've ever had the pleasure to place on my noggin.
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    Next, a 1990's flask pouch in the early wacky purple TTsKO.
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    With 1957 Soviet flask
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    All together
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    The following stuff was all obtained by a great Estonian pal of ours, Merk, who provides a great source for this stuff and experience and info to go along with it.
    So special thanks to him and a shout out!

    Next up is a TTsKO ushanka. From the 90's or 00's.
    Has a gold coat of arm's badge, according to Merk these are worn by professional/career soldiers, and conscripts doing their national service wear the Eesti roundel.
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    Apparently, for some odd reason, you can only wear the small dinky inner ear flap in cold weather, and not the actual ear flaps.
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    Writing of former owners, "PAITS" and "TAMMARU"
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    A HUGE winter TTsKO parka, obviously Afghanka inspired.
    This one, according to Merk, is a "quintessential 90's piece" with lovely purple tint and epaulets, which served to put rank slides before they were removed and rank was placed on a single loop on the chest, sometime in the early 00's.
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    "Estonian Army"
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    This one however was an Air Force one, missing its patch but Merk pulled through and found it and provided one.
    Amari Air Base.
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    Not yet sewed on, but as it will be.
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    It also came with an East German UTV pistol belt, apparently the fashion back then was to wear whatever belt you could find.
    And also, this 1990 Swedish field dressing in the arm pocket.
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    A pair of TTsKO summer trousers. These are also from the 1990's.
    They are brand new, some buttonholes were still sewed shut.
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    A TTsKO rainsuit, from the 2000's. In the older front snap style, rather than the pullover.
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    Some dress rank slides, for junior officers.
    Ensign "Lipnik", 2nd Lieutenant "Nooremleitnant", and Lieutenant "Leitnant",
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    A thermal cold weather undershirt, dated 2009. Nicknamed "Soble", apparently a staple of the "lounging" uniform Very Happy
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    And finally some police stuff. Here we have an old Soviet era auxiliary police armband and badge.
    Under those are a newer sleeve patch and some rank studs, very similar to the East German ones.
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    And finally we have a standard 1990's era Estonian police service uniform, sans duty belt and trousers.
    The visor is an 8-point, and has a beautiful coat of arms badge.
    The service jacket is a sort of Ike-style, and has the older two piece patch and tab on the shoulder, and I added the rank studs, although it is still missing two.
    The shirt is a basic short-sleeve button up, and has two coat of arms on each sleeve.
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    And everyone loves photos, right?

    Here you can see the dress uniform with rank slides
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    The old rainsuit
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    I imagine there were different twills, but my TTsKO trousers seem to have a higher polyester content than most later ones.
    Maybe 90's uniforms were more like that? This lovely girl on the left seems to have a pair like mine.
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    Some 90's pics, showing the plethora of gear the Estonians used, as well as some of their own early stuff.
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    This man has a Soble, KLMK, old winter parka, and his M43 has that same coat of arms as Grant has on one of his caps.
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    Soble on the front guy
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    Very Soviet looking winter gear
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    Some Sobles under the summer uniform
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    This fellow decided to don some rain camo
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    ATC tower at Amari Air Base
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    Estonian police, 1990's
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    Enjoy!
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    Post by ripcord Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:55 pm

    Wow...

    Great Photos.

    I see at least one pattern most of us have never seen before.

    Great kit as well.. Estonian rocks !!

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    Post by dynamo.alex Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:57 pm

    nice collection items and outstanding, interesting pictures. thanks for sharing.
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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:25 am

    Got a few new things a little bit ago:

    Winter TTsKO trousers. These are dated 2006, and according to Merk is the last iteration before the change, as the "ESTPAT" stuff was coming in around 2006.
    These differ from the previous "Soviet" M88/Afghanka cut and have the later "modern" cut, including an elastic waist, velcro cargo pockets, a permanent sewn-in quilted nylon/poly liner, and pant legs that zip up to the knees to allow them to be donned over winter boots, as well as velcro cuffs at the base to tighten around the boots.

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    A now completed set, excluding long johns/Soble shirt.
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    Some of the extras he threw in include a Kaitsepolitsei patch, essentially the Estonian version of the FBI, and a Lahingukool "Battle School" tape.
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    Allegedly these patches are worn "in the field"
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    Hard to see on these guys, they are usually worn over the left pocket but rarely the right as well
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    And lastly, a 2000's Estonian Police short sleeve service shirt, straight out of the factory packaging.
    Compared to the earlier 90's stuff you can see at one point the Estonian police patch combined the "Politsei" tab with the shield.
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    Post by CollectinSteve Tue Mar 21, 2017 3:09 pm

    Some great items and a fantastic spread of pictures.  Well done Very Happy

    The most interesting picture in the entire mix, I think, is this one:

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    The guy on the right is wearing an Amoeba camo uniform based on the current uniform cut.  I've never seen that before!  I'm assuming it is for some force such as Defense League, not regular military. The guy on the left is wearing Defense League badging, so it's a good guess.

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    Post by dynamo.alex Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:10 pm

    absolutely great pitures and fantastic items. thanks for sharing ... @Steve, nice picture, too.
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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:01 am

    Merk mentioned that uniform before, can't remember if he had one and sold it. You'd have to ask him, he mentioned a few experimental/trial uniforms.

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    Post by CollectinSteve Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:43 am

    Another nice picture!  Shows the big color contrast of a new and worn uniform with the detachable sleeve badge on the right arm.

    As for the odd Amoeba in modern cut, I have a Defense League digital uniform.  It's very similar to the standard issue, but a little lower quality. So I'm not surprised to see the Defense League had its own Amoeba uniform, but very surprised to see they bothered to make one in the modern cut since they were already using digital by that point (Defense League got the BDU style digital camo uniform).

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    Post by ripcord Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:52 am

    That uniform could  to be a trial, or maybe a unit purchase..

    Certainly noticed it right away.  Non digital, current cut..

    Defense league did have digital uniforms in a similar cut to the old amoeba uniforms, so the whole thing is weird.  Most likely  a very limited production uniform.

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    Post by CollectinSteve Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:47 am

    ripcord wrote:
    Defense league did have digital uniforms in a similar cut to the old amoeba uniforms, so the whole thing is weird.

    What was mentioned by an Estonian member, somewhere on this forum, is that the digital uniforms in the old cut were originally intended for the regular armed forces. However, very few were issued before the cut was changed to the new cut. All remaining stocks went to the Defense League.

    This could be true, but it could also be true that the Defense League ordered a batch of uniforms in the old cut because it was cheaper than the new cut. The cloth is also different than new cut uniforms that followed. This fits a pattern with the Defense League uniforms.

    For sure there's a lot of oddball stuff out there. The amoeba set in the old cut is just a reminder of that fact. I have ripstop amoeba trousers in the old cut, for example. Apparently extremely rare. I'll probably never get a jacket Sad

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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:36 pm

    Few new things

    First is a coat in the strange-strap configuration, from Merk
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    Peace Operations Center patch
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    Senior NCO Course Graduation badge, and where the name used to be
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    And a strange teal nylon zippered interior pocket that according to Merk is from the factory, and not user added
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    An ESTPAT helmet cover for a Schuberth/K-pot style helmet, seen here on my Israeli M76 as my PASGT is too big for the cover
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    An ESTPAT ushanka for a conscript
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    And finally an Estonian Prison Service visor from the 1990's
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    Some pics. Enjoy!
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    Post by CollectinSteve Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:59 am

    Nice pictures!!

    Ironically, I have a uniform up on eBay right now that is nearly identical to the "Peace Operations Center" uniform you got from Merk.  I have four of these jackets and I can say for sure that the inside pocket is always made out of nylon, though I think one of mine the nylon is maroon color.

    It appears that the uniform with the arm insignia flap succeeded the pleated pocket type in the late 1990s (1998?) and was replaced in early 2000s (2002?) by one without the flap and a few other changes.  However, the uniform was worn for a few years later minimum, probably longer by Defense League soldiers.

    Here's a picture showing the flap uniform (right) and the one it replaced (left):

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    Also, I think I have a winter hat for use with the oddball Amoeba uniform in the digital camo uniform cut.  The hat is dated 2011 and is identical to the digital style winter hat.  It has Estonian Defense Forces triple lions on it.

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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:23 am

    A few new things to add:
    Regular summer TTsKO field cap. Late one, dated 2005.



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    Police General Director's Visor


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    Border Guard's polo shirt, unissued with tags. I added the ranks.


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    EDL Noored Kotkad (Young Eagles) side cap, styled after the pre-WW2 ones, which were styled after the Estonian army side caps of the time.


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    ESTPAT field cap, dated 2010.


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    Assorted insignia. Old TTsKO velcro EDL patch, Vanemseersant Border Guard rank slides, and infantry and Air Force field grade collar insignias.


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    A-COY patch, blank rank slides for either newly graduated privates or pinning metal ranks onto after collar ranks were abolished in the mid 90's, a Soviet era Technical Worker armband, and an unknown belt-mounted medical pouch with Tallinn buttons. Merk reckons it's from the immediate post-Soviet era but as there's no other markings and no photos there's really no clue to its origins.


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    And some of my summer items all mixed together, 2000's cap and coat, 90's trousers. Technically kosher for early-mid 00's impressions, especially amongst the EDL, although the insignia on the coat betrays any EDL origins.


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    Some more random reference pics. I don't remember what I already posted and what others did so I apologize for any duplicates.


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    I also have one of these ESTPATROL MSU patches lying around
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    This photo is from 2012, showing how late these flap insignia coats have been worn.
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    Enjoy!
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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Sat Jan 07, 2023 2:18 am

    Some more stuff and a few retaken pictures from over the past few years, once again nearly all of this and accompanying info (which I might still get some wrong) comes from Merk,
    so extra special thanks and appreciation to him!


    A 90's Border Guard camouflage M43 with enameled metal cockade, sadly a bit faded and small but I really can't complain with how scarce this stuff is.
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    A pair of Border Guard camouflage trousers with their liner. The black belt in the last pic is a 90's Estonian police equipment/duty belt.
    Now to only find the parka!

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    An EDF issue web belt, I think these date to the 90's/00's. It's a hybrid of a US M-1956 web belt but with a British 58 Pat style buckle.
    No manufacturer markings that I can find, but it has at least two former owner's names scratched into the hardware.

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    A pair of Lipnik (Ensign) dress uniform slides
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    An early model Estonian Border Guards Lynx patch, with some background on the design by Merk:
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    An EDF issue PT t-shirt, dated 2010
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    EDF issue OD t-shirt, dated 2004
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    An early-mid 90's TTsKO coat, patched to the Defense League
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    A new pic of the early-mid 90's TTsKO summer trousers, matched with the EDL coat
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    A pair of early 90's TTsKO berets, the first made of lighter colored material, lined with matching camouflage material,
    with brown leather headband, elastic chinstrap, and previous owner's named penned quite neatly on the interior.
    The second is a more "yellow" coloration, with solid color interior material, black leather headband, and the chinstrap was either
    cut out or it never had one. Both feature enameled metal cockades.
    Note this early issue Estonian TTsKO has the same pattern drawings as the Soviet TTsKO with the "teardrop" shape, but a different coloration.

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    A 2004 dated desert TTsKO coat, from the collection of Mr. Heckman.
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    An M43, boonie, PASGT helmet covers, and UBACS, all handmade out of original desert TTsKO and desert ESTPAT material by Mr. Merk.
    His craftsmanship is truly incredible, all of it is very well stitched, measured, and put together, days above a number of other gov't issue uniforms
    from other countries I've handled.
    I forgot to take individual photos, but the UBACS features a subdued Estonian flag and what I understand to be an older model
    Scoutspataljon (Scouts Battalion) patch.

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    An OD subdued EDF Pioneeripataljon (Engineer Battalion) patch
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    Some basic 2000's issue "green" TTsKO summer items.
    This variant came out around 1994 with the "Fisherman's Suit", which heavily (but still not fully) standardized the colors of the EDF TTsKO.
    This also features the unique Estonian pattern drawings with the "Q" shape also established in 1994.
    An EDL Viru County patched coat, dated 2001, named to Naum with an older mid-late 90's fabric blank rank slide

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    A 2001 dated EDF patched coat named to Koorem of the Pärnu Jalaväepataljon (Parnu Infantry Battalion), which was active 1993-2006.
    Also has an older mid-late 90's fabric blank rank slide.

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    A basic pair of 2000's era summer trousers, tag missing
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    A summer TTsKO field cap, dated 2005, and the whole 2000's summer TTsKO set together.
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    An older full color patch for the Kalevi Malevkond, a sub-unit of the Tallinn Defense League.
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    A mid-90's Naval Border Guard's side cap, very uncommon.
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    A pair of Merevägi (Navy) Lipnik (Ensign) rank slides, and an unissued, current issue (to my knowledge) shirt I put them on.
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    A plastic ''Orderly'' gate guard badge.
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    A 90's black nylon replacement chinstap and early TTsKO cover for US donated/sold PASGT helmets to Estonia, that
    I put on a beater K-pot to display.

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    A mid-late 90's jacket, ranked to a Kapten (Captain), trousers, and cap with enameled metal cockade of the infamous "Fisherman's Suit" uniform.
    According to Merk, these uniforms were first issued in 1994 and served as an experimental/trials uniform until it was officially logged in the books as the standard uniform
    in 1996, but never became standard issue, and most troops continued to wear the early-mid 90's cut uniforms until the Obr88/M88/Afghanka cut uniform officially
    replaced both in 1998. They still see occasional usage and wear by EDL members and veterans at parades and functions.
    The Fisherman's Suit did however introduce both the "green" TTsKO coloration and the new "Q" shape pattern drawing that would remain in the rest of TTsKO's service
    in the EDF/EDL.

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    A little lineup I made with the help of Merk, showing the evolution of the summer TTsKO field cap. Please note this isn't
    fully comprehensive, as there are 1st and 2nd model caps with reverse embroidered/metal cockades, and probably other undiscovered
    fabric and style variants out there as well.

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    A "green" TTsKO PASGT helmet cover.
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    A scarce, original Estonian SOG patch (green beret), from the original group formed in 1994 and disbanded in 1999,
    following a robbery committed by one of the members using a weapon stolen from their armory (Which IIRC, was actually the unit's 2IC).
    The red beret one is a replica of one of the other styles seen in use, along with an OD subdued version and possibly others.

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    Even more scarce, a set of three SOG parachutist wings, two fabric (one full color and the other OD subdued), and #75 of
    200 hallmarked metal wings commissioned for the unit.

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    A pair of early-mid 90's winter lined TTsKO mittens. According to Merk, despite coming across a number of these over the years,
    they are still yet to be found actually being worn in period photos.

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    And last for now and one of the coolest pieces I've gotten from him, a nearly full set of the EDF issue Jalaväerakmed (Infantry Harness), sans gas mask bag.
    Also often called the Galvi-Linda webbing after the manufacturer, this was first seen in 2001 and despite starting to be replaced by a newer vest/attachment system
    sometime around 2018 IIRC, this webbing can still (1-2023) be seen used today.
    I've also included an MS Paint recreation of a humorous instruction manual Merk included with it on how it's often worn and used.

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    That's all for now!
    Enjoy!
    -Nate

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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Fri Jan 13, 2023 1:58 am

    A correction from Merk; those rank slides are not for an EDF "lipnik", but rather for a Komissar of the Border Guards.
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    Post by CollectinSteve Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:31 pm

    I see you've made some great additions to your Estonian collection! The borderguard winter stuff is especially nice and very difficult to find. Congrats on getting some of it, though it's a shame you don't have the coat.

    Ooooo... that's more "Swedish" cut TTsKO pictures in one place than I've ever seen! Thanks!

    Is there a label on the inside of the desert TTsKO M43 style hat? I've never seen one before, so I'm wondering if it is commercial in nature or perhaps experimental.

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    Post by TennoHeikaNate Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:23 pm

    Thanks Steve! Yeah, I'd love to get a parka to get the whole BG set, but that pattern by its nature is quite hard to come by.
    Merk provided all those reference photos to me, he has an absolute goldmine. Being able to actually search in the language certainly makes it easier, heh.
    The M43 was part of the group of items that were handmade by Merk out of original fabric. The only original desert piece is the 2004 coat.
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    Post by bang1266 Tue Jan 17, 2023 1:34 pm

    Thanks for the great post. Excellent photos Smile

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