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    Dutch army loadout displays (cold war era)

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    Post by Camonut314 on Mon May 11, 2020 1:26 pm

    Once again, absolutely lovely! What's the story behind the Dutch using Diamondback Tactical? Just a cheaper alternative to MSA (Paraclete?)
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    Post by michelwijnand on Mon May 11, 2020 2:08 pm

    Thanks!!
    And it's a good question, I really don't know why they went with DBT, but cost might indeed be a factor, as the Dutch MoD can be quite the cheapskate.
    I do have a few photos of Paraclete armors in use but DBT vests became the standard for the KCT for years, until sometime during the early-mid 2010's or so when the Profile armors made by Marom Dolphin first got issued and started taking over.

    DBT vests stayed in use for some years after they were entirely replaced though, during Minusma in Mali there were 0 of them to be seen, they only turned up in some regular army photos in training, probably handed down from commando's.

    For some reason there were more such weird choices made in terms of what gear the KCT would get, like the Rabintex helmets, or the I-rack chestrig made by SDS (which I plan to make another loadout with later) and the Trezeta boots (of which I don't know exactly from when until when they were used exactly)
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    Post by michelwijnand on Wed Jun 24, 2020 3:37 pm

    Dutch army, 2009-2012.
    (13 Mechbrig, 42 PainfBat, Regiment Limburgse Jagers)


    Gear:
    Petrolgreen beret (commercial Noorloos brand)
    42nd Painfbat beret badge
    Arktis smock (probably an old version B110 model) in Dutch DPM camo
    Woodland (DPM) M90 basis trousers
    Private 1st class rankslides
    13nd Mechanized brigade velcro armpatch
    42nd Painfbat (Regiment Infanterie Limburgse Jagers) velcro chest patch (dark type print)
    DPM Arktis Minimi chestrig
    DPM unknown brand multitool pouch
    Woodland (DPM) lefthanded legholster
    Weapon sight pouch (most likely for the Kite HV-sight)
    Woodland (DPM) Arwy Sting 80 liter backpack (2009 type)
    Limburg nametape (thought it would be funny for this unit)
    M07 boots

    In the background:
    Green shemagh scarve

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    Post by michelwijnand on Fri Jul 03, 2020 2:01 pm

    Dutch Marine Corps, 1995 - late 1990's.

    Gear:

    M87 DPM windproof smock (Dutch made, British type with the extra armpocket, rankloops upside-down)
    US type Woodland BDU trousers
    Marine 1st class rankslides
    Mid 1990's type M87 DPM winter hat (windproof fabric, no reinforced stitching on the sunflap)
    Soldier-made Minimi vest (made of US Alice suspenders, KLM93 vest parts, and various buckles and parts of straps and fabrics)
    Plastic canteen in canvas pouch (like an M52 pouch but with snapbuttons, might be a prototype)
    Black M90 boots

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    Post by Wolverine on Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:11 pm

    Neat vest!
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    Post by Camonut314 on Sat Jul 04, 2020 1:08 pm

    Agreed! Love both this vest and the previous Arktis one- never seen the minimi version!
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    Post by michelwijnand on Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:21 pm

    Thanks guys!

    When I saw this vest for sale I just had to have it. There were no dedicated Minimi vests, pouches or rigs in issue at the time at all, so anyone using it would have to be creative, and creative is definately what this vest is.

    The Arktis chestrigs have been turning up for sale here a number of times in the last year or so, before that I have never seen a single one. I did have some pics of them in use, but never had any idea it was an Arktis item, another mystery solved
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    Post by Majestyk on Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:10 pm

    Awesome dude stuff. I've started to assemble a M58 kit as well and so far I've got the shirt & jacket but I'm having hard time getting the pants in 34-36"/96cm as most of the ones I find are either the M78 or later model or in small size. Maybe you could help out with some links? The same for the boots & helmet.
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    Post by michelwijnand on Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:02 pm

    Thanks!
    And nice to hear more people take an interest in Dutch stuff. But older clothing in such a size is pretty much nonexistent here.
    There's even reenactors that buy 2 pants and remake them into 1 bigger set, and if any side above ca86cm pops up it's quickly sold for stupid money.

    But about a helmet and boots, I can help you with that. What type of boots are you looking for, the M66? I have both a helmet and a pair of boots
    laying here.
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    Post by Majestyk on Thu Aug 13, 2020 3:31 pm

    I think I might have overestimated my size and when my 96-100 jacket arrived it turned out way to large to now I bought the only other size available 88-92. Can you confirm is the sizes refer to CM around the waist, belly or? as I find it really hard to understand. In terms of helmets we have plenty of M1 clones but can't find a M53. Is the french 1951 and US war time M1 the same as I rend that they first just cloned the M1 and later used shells from Austria so I'm not sure how good of a replacement they would be but ideally I would like the actual Dutch one. I'm wanting to make a 55-60 loadout with a either Garand/Thompson/Carbine before they got the FAL's so not sure which boots would be suitable.
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    Post by michelwijnand on Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:27 pm

    Well sadly I haven't checked the sizing on the jackets ever, but it should be the chest and maybe the back length?
    And about helmets, the French M51 is a different shape to any M1, the back is flanged the whole way around, if you put it on a flat surface the whole back rim can touch the table, which
    is impossible with an M1. The French did use wartime surplus M1's for a while postwar until the M51's were produced in quantity.
    And I checked the duffelbag with the stuff I got and the helme tis actually wrong for the era you're looking for. It has a plastic liner that appeared for the first time in the very late 60's.
    And for your specified timeframe you would need either Dutch made ammoboots, which are nigh impossible to find (eventhough I di finally find a pair last week), or M57's, which are a copy of
    a US boot type, I think it was the M51 russet boots.

    And here's a new loadout I photographed yesterday.

    Dutch KCT, Afghanistan 2009-2010, TF55 (again, but with different gear).

    Late type M92 Desert boonie hat with wire edge
    3-Color Desert Smock (2009 Type 3)
    3-Color Desert trial combatsuit trousers (matching the shirt from another loadout from a long time ago, I'll probably switch the trousers out between them)
    Oakley SI assault gloves (Oldgen, Coyote tan)
    Sergeant 1st class Desert rankslides (Not visible, 1 on the smock's chest, the other inside a pocket)
    SDS I-RACK chestrig with Super-RACK suspenders
    DBT adminpouch
    DBT pistolmagazinepouch
    DBT triple magazine pouch (Late type with Coyote tan elastic)(3X2 mags)
    DBT double magazine pouch (Late type with Coyote tan elastic)(2X2 mags)
    DBT single magazine pouch (Late type with Coyote tan elastic)(1X2 mags)
    DBT square utilitypouch with velcro flap
    DBT flashbangpouch (Late type with Coyote tan elastic)
    DBT medical pouch
    DBT medical pouch tear-off adapter
    DBT dutybelt
    Black Safariland 6004-?? legholster (oldgen 2-bolt type) (probably 6004-83, but a strap-hole has been cut through the numbers)
    Trezeta Top Evo boots

    In the background:
    SDS I-RACK chestrig suspenders (narrower than Super-RACK suspenders)

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    Post by michelwijnand on Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:47 pm

    Dutch Marine Corps uniform, BBE boarding team, 2009+

    Gear:
    Protec bump helmet (Ace Rescue or Ace Water model)
    Black issue 1-hole balaclava
    Fire-retardant sagegreen flyers coverall
    Black flyers gloves
    Eagle Industries OD green Land CIRAS body armor
    EI CIRAS neck protector
    2 EI CIRAS shoulder protectors
    2 EI CIRAS upper arm protectors
    EI CIRAS groin protector
    EI signals pouch
    3 EI kydex pistol magazinepouches
    Black fastmag pouch
    EI smokegrenadepouch
    EI triple magazinepouch (3X2 mags)
    EI double grenadepouch
    EI canteen/utility-pouch
    EI MBITR radiopouch
    Karabiner hook with green tape around it
    EI hydration pouch
    EI triple 40mm grenadepouch
    EI gasmaskbag
    Vega green dutybelt
    Black unknown brand kydex legholster for Glock with X200 light
    EI legpanel
    EI flare pouch
    EI LMG pouch
    EI LMG pouch velcro divider flap
    EI LMG pouch button-in elastic topcover
    EI protective NVG pouch insert
    Tactical Assault Gear green weaponcatch
    Khaki dumppouch (non-issue but used)
    M92 desert boots (full speedlace version)

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    Post by michelwijnand on Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:21 am

    Dutch army, Afghanistan, July 2006 - Januari 2007, TFU1, Regiment van Heutsz.

    Gear:
    Desert camo Arktis B110 basic smock (model with extra pouches round the back)
    M93 Desert camo trousers
    Private 1st class Desert rankslides (Not visible, 1 on the smock's chest, the other inside a pocket)
    2 Hablous velcro nametapes
    Khaki NLD cap (early Noorloos made type)
    Late 90's type DPM body armor
    Khaki PLCE type chestrig (might be Afghan made)
    M93 BG9001a radio pouch
    M93 Simoco Portophone shoulderbag
    DPM Arktis legholster
    Desert camo Camelbak Thermobak 3L (model with flap over the cap)
    M92 desert boots (full speedlace version)

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    Post by michelwijnand on Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:31 pm

    Dutch KCT, 2012-2013.

    Gear:
    Rabintex RBH303AU helmet with NVG shroud (custom paint and modified chinstrap with napepad)
    Late type greygreen issue balaclava
    Dutch DPM Arktis B??? smock (no idea what model number, might be a KCT custom order)
    Dutch DPM Arktis C111 trousers (pre-2009 wide belt type)
    KCT velcro armpatch
    Sergeant rankslides (not visible, 1 on the smock's chest, the other inside a pocket)
    Profile Operator Classic gloves
    Profile Equipment Moral SF body armor in Coyote Tan (early type with black label and different cummerbund)
    4 Profile pistol magazinepouches (1 is a slightly different variation, all early type with buckle MOLLE)
    Profile triple opentop magazinepouch (early type MOLLE)
    Tactical Assault Gear triple opentop magazinepouch
    Profile double magazinepouch (2X2 mags, early type MOLLE)
    Eagle Industries NL medical pouch
    Profile MBITR radiopouch (late type with snap button MOLLE)
    2 Profile smokegrenadepouches (2 slightly different variations, both early type MOLLE)
    Profile large utility pouch (early type MOLLE)
    Profile small utility pouch (early type MOLLE)
    Profile strobepouch (early type MOLLE)
    Diamondback Tactical Modular Assault Pack
    Profile riggerbelt (not visible)
    Profile battlebelt (early type with seperate belt)
    Profile rollup dumppouch (early type MOLLE)
    2 Profile flashbangpouches (2 slightly different variations, both early type MOLLE)
    Khaki Safariland 6004-83 legholster
    Profile legpanel (DBT model)
    Profile Demspec pouch (round flap type. early type MOLLE)
    Profile horizontal utility pouch (early type MOLLE)
    Tactical Assault Gear arm-adminpouch
    Green Seyntex kneepads
    Trezeta Top Evo boots

    In the background:
    Profile Moral SF detachable neck and shoulder protector
    Profile Moral SF detachable upper-arm protectors
    Profile gasmaskbag (early type MOLLE)
    Profile Glock holster-pouch (tall type, early type MOLLE)
    Profile Comspec backpack (early type)

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    Post by nobody_yuz1on on Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:22 pm

    Amazing kit!
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    Post by michelwijnand on Sun Sep 20, 2020 5:04 pm

    Thanks!! I'm pretty happy with how it turned out, and it was quite a long project so I'm happy it's done haha.
    I have too many projects laying at home, ones that are almost done or done and waiting to get photographed, and the last few weeks I actually have time
    to finish some and photograph them so I can take them out of my house and into my depot with the other finished stuff.

    Here's another one.

    Netherlands 2018-2019 Airmobile Brigade.
    11 AASLT Garderegiment Grenadiers en Jagers, "Madju" Pathfinder platoon.
    Same unit as on page 4, but a decade later.

    Gear:
    Armorsource AS-501 helmet
    ITL Mini N/SEAS NVG helmet adapter type 12
    ITL Mini N/SEAS NVG double mount
    Viper DPM UBACS (with another variation of zipp-off sleeves in the cargo pack)
    NLTactical DPM combat trousers
    Condor khaki AB+ bloodgroup velcro patch
    SPE combat gloves (a type from ca 2018)
    Warrior Assault Systems Recon platecarrier in Coyote Tan
    IRR NLD flag velcro patch
    Van Zanten nametape
    WAS front folding adminpouch
    Karabiner with Luchtmobiele Brigade stencilled on
    WAS Pathfinder chestrig (clipped on platecarrier, Recon front panel and chestrig-straps in cargo pack)
    WAS 1-point sling
    WAS drop down utility pouch
    WAS MBITR radiopouch
    WAS cargo pack
    WAS Gunfighter battlebelt
    Safariland Foliage Green 7004-83 legholster
    WAS grenadepouch
    WAS smokegrenadepouch Mk2
    WAS Direct Action triple pistol magazinepouch
    WAS rollup dumppouch
    WAS small zippered utility pouch
    Meindl M1 boots

    In my hands and the background:
    Wool hat with Madju logo and Dutch Recon below it
    SPE gloves pouch
    Modular DPM NVG headmount pouch
    Modular DPM NVG pouch
    Modular DPM NVG lens pouch

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    Post by dynamo.alex on Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:31 pm

    nice load-out display, as usual Michel!

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