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    Post by Camonut314 on Sat Mar 29, 2014 12:56 pm

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    This is a movie piece, made to represent commando unit 684 from South Korea whose exclusive mission it was to assassinate Kim-Il Sung.
    Wiki article here tells the full and fascinating story:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silmido_%28film%29

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    Post by vonstuck on Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:21 pm

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Apr 12, 2014 8:24 pm

    Ah, the mysterious Bulgarian branch set. I don't know what to make of it, but there are several things about it that may indicate authenticity:

    1. Same uniform design as two known "advisor" uniforms (tiger and branch)

    2. Similar quality cloth

    3. Similar quality construction

    4. Similar arid colors

    To me, this set is not a commercially produced uniform. Maybe rejected for "advisor" use? Maybe used by advisors but not documented?

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    Post by vonstuck on Wed Jul 09, 2014 5:25 pm

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    Post by Deepdown on Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:10 am

    The cap is Philippine. The black "I" in the center of the badge is actually a pre-hispanic letter "K". I have metal versions of that badge.
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    Post by vonstuck on Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:15 pm

    Deepdown wrote:The cap is Philippine. The black "I" in the center of the badge is actually a pre-hispanic letter "K". I have metal versions of that badge.

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    Thank you for the information
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:53 pm

    I was going to guess Philippines! Good to know that would have been an excellent guess Very Happy

    The reason for my guess is I remember seeing a picture of a Philippine general with a camouflage side cap like this. The picture was taken a long time ago, but I don't remember if it was 1970s or 1980s.

    Deepdown, any idea of the date?

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    Post by Deepdown on Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:53 pm

    70's to early 80's would probably be correct. Thing is, the Philippine military had this pattern in different colors. The Navy still use a similar pattern up to now. The cap pictured looks like it's for officer's.
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Fri Jul 11, 2014 12:30 am

    Thanks for the answer!

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    Post by vonstuck on Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:14 pm

    The pattern camouflage is identical as my Vietnam 6 but the cut of the garment is not Vietnam, maybe Thaïland

    http://vonstuckcamouflage.free.fr/vietnam.php


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    Post by CollectinSteve on Sun Aug 10, 2014 1:36 pm

    A recolored Vietnam police pattern... very interesting!

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    Post by Danger on Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:52 pm

    vonstuck wrote:An idea about this beret badge?
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    Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina army badge. Muslim and croat amblem and EU amblem.

    Used from 1996 , until 2006.

    in 2006 Bosnian serb army and Federation of bosnia and herzegovina army were merged into one army. OS BIH Smile
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    Post by vonstuck on Wed Oct 29, 2014 3:58 pm

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    It is not Belgium Brush Stroke pattern

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    Post by loski on Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:22 pm

    I think it is one of the Pakistani patterns
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    Post by vonstuck on Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:54 pm

    loski wrote:I think it is one of the Pakistani patterns

    It is not Pakistan
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    Post by vonstuck on Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:58 pm

    For this pant I think it is the Serbian lizard, not sure!
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    Post by cammobunker on Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:27 pm

    vonstuck wrote:
    loski wrote:I think it is one of the Pakistani patterns

    It is not Pakistan
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    Actually, it IS Pakistani, just not that one.
    The earlier version came in that sort-of-not-really Belgian brush-stroke style camo. (Call it 1960s-1970s. These were common around in the 80s and early 90s, but have dried right up).
    It came in two fabric weights-a heavy, non permeable cotton and a very lightweight "Aertex" weave.
    The giveaway is the buttons, the old ones use the fragile Belgian style kind of light caramel color buttons, the newer uses hard plastic Chinese made, probably.
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    Post by CollectinSteve on Sat Dec 13, 2014 3:47 am

    The only two brush uniforms I am aware of are the so-called "Bhutto" type in cloth similar to Airtex, and a solid cotton/poly uniform made for an American dealer named Joe Francis. The uniform was custom made for him and was not military issue. They are all over the place! I got my first one in 1993 and I recently acquired a second one. I could have sworn there was a thread about this somewhere recently, but I couldn't find it.

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    Post by cammobunker on Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:58 pm

    I remember the ones made for Joe Francis, he had those and-I think- some Rhodie camo  type items made as well. Didn't he also import that South African "Ghost" purple/black stuff made by Adder in Jo'berg?

    Hmmm....it's really not the same, is it? I stand corrected, although I'm not convinced it ISN'T Pakistani, either. Maybe a Khyber Pass copy?  clown

    Here's the one's I'm referring to: (tip of the hat to the guessologist camo website: http://guessologistcamo.weebly.com/ )

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    Post by CollectinSteve on Wed Dec 17, 2014 1:47 pm

    Joe had a lot of stuff like that, indeed! He also is probably responsible for most of the "barbed wire" 6 color desert stuff older collectors might have kicking around.

    The one you posted above is an issued item as far as I know. It's probably the same type as one of Gilles' back shots further up. I think it's the same cloth as Joe's stuff, but Joe's cut is not the same.

    Back to the topic of Gilles' mystery Brush... definitely nothing to do with Pakistan IMHO.

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    Post by vonstuck on Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:53 pm

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    Maybe India or Pakistan, cardboard in the neck and shoulder
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    Post by vonstuck on Fri Apr 03, 2015 4:22 pm

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    Post by tlundberg1 on Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:03 am

    vonstuck wrote:My unknowns - Page 6 100_6011

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    It is not Belgium Brush Stroke pattern

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    There are a couple of these for sale on Ebay right now.  I was wondering if these (and the one posted here) might be Iraqi, early 1980's perhaps?
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    Post by Camonut314 on Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:59 pm

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    I put that in my unknowns, because I don't no if it is an Iraqi garment or a fake
    The red triangle patch is tipical Iraqi, but I think the camouflage pattern and material is English
    The garment is tailored and the size is XS
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    Just a little bit of an update, I recently purchased this coverall that portends to be from the estate of a US special forces (no idea on the validity of this info), but the suit itself is quite interesting. It is heavily modified from a tanker's suit, but it does have paratrooper wings and the republican guard triangles, much like yours, Gilles. What is more, it has an Arabic tag, which even for Iraqi garments is unusual.

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    Note two different background colors here and the modified waist:
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    Smaller tag is faded but reads "Small" curiously.
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    Post by vonstuck on Sat Apr 11, 2015 12:23 pm

    Very interesting!
    Can you take a picture of the label without the camera light?
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